Hottest .357 factory loads?

A bear that's been fed....

A bear that's been fed by people sometimes get really ticked off if you don't give them something. And if you don't have enough of what they want, they get even more ticked off.:eek:
 
OP did not say .357 Magnum or SIG. But in either case, Doubletap makes a 180 gr WNGC hard cast lead load for both .357 Mag and .357 SIG. The specs make the .357 Mag load seem especially potent.

A load like that or Buffalo Bore is what I would carry in black bear country if all I had was a .357.
 
I do so enjoy these threads and the replies. Only one here so far has killed a bear and he did it with a handgun. kudos Crazyphil. I have taken and seen taken hundreds of deer, elk, and antelope but only 3 black bears. Never think any wild animal wont be aggressive. I had a beaver fail to give ground and moved in my direction every time I tried to walk around it. I had a wounded bull elk try to come for me. I have shot several deer and an antelope with a 357 and recovered no bullets as all were pass throughs. Hard cast handgun bullets are non expanding and are the same as fmj, these are illegal in most states because they seldom kill and only wound. I read a report that a professional bear hunter wrote. He killed over 1,000 black bears so he has some experience. He felt the 44 magnum was the best handgun only if expanding bullets were used. He used hard cast on several bears and they remained aggressive. When shot with expanding bullets the bears all ceased any aggressive attitude and went to biting at their wounds. He also said they died considerably faster. He said bears shot with non expanding bullets died slowly if at all and showed virtually no effect to being hit. Interesting stuff. I crawled into a shallow bear den after a wounded black bear. It was so tight in there that I pushed my Ruger Security Six loaded with 173 grain KSWC's ahead of me with my right arm extended. When I felt the gun touch the bear I unloaded 5 rounds into it. Not a fair test though as the bear had been lung shot with a 300 Win Mag and was breathing its last as I unloaded into it. I removed myself from the den, reloaded and went back in but by then it was all over but the skinning.
 
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I do so enjoy these threads and the replies. Only one here so far has killed a bear and he did it with a handgun. kudos Crazyphil. I have taken and seen taken hundreds of deer, elk, and antelope but only 3 black bears. Never think any wild animal wont be aggressive. I had a beaver fail to give ground and moved in my direction every time I tried to walk around it. I had a wounded bull elk try to come for me. I have shot several deer and an antelope with a 357 and recovered no bullets as all were pass throughs. Hard cast handgun bullets are non expanding and are the same as fmj, these are illegal in most states because they seldom kill and only wound. I read a report that a professional bear hunter wrote. He killed over 1,000 black bears so he has some experience. He felt the 44 magnum was the best handgun only if expanding bullets were used. He used hard cast on several bears and they remained aggressive. When shot with expanding bullets the bears all ceased any aggressive attitude and went to biting at their wounds. He also said they died considerably faster. He said bears shot with non expanding bullets died slowly if at all and showed virtually no effect to being hit. Interesting stuff. I crawled into a shallow bear den after a wounded black bear. It was so tight in there that I pushed my Ruger Security Six loaded with 173 grain KSWC's ahead of me with my right arm extended. When I felt the gun touch the bear I unloaded 5 rounds into it. Not a fair test though as the bear had been lung shot with a 300 Win Mag and was breathing its last as I unloaded into it. I removed myself from the den, reloaded and went back in but by then it was all over but the skinning.

Can you still hear after shooting 5 rounds in the confines of cave?
 
Can you still hear after shooting 5 rounds in the confines of cave?


What did you say?

Have only heard one offensive gun report in all my years of hunting. Tried to take a running coyote from inside my truck cab, shooting out the passenger window, using a hot loaded 44 magnum. I knew the gun had gone off without looking in the cylinder for a dented primer.
 
I do so enjoy these threads and the replies. Only one here so far has killed a bear and he did it with a handgun. kudos Crazyphil. I have taken and seen taken hundreds of deer, elk, and antelope but only 3 black bears. Never think any wild animal wont be aggressive. I had a beaver fail to give ground and moved in my direction every time I tried to walk around it. I had a wounded bull elk try to come for me. I have shot several deer and an antelope with a 357 and recovered no bullets as all were pass throughs. Hard cast handgun bullets are non expanding and are the same as fmj, these are illegal in most states because they seldom kill and only wound. I read a report that a professional bear hunter wrote. He killed over 1,000 black bears so he has some experience. He felt the 44 magnum was the best handgun only if expanding bullets were used. He used hard cast on several bears and they remained aggressive. When shot with expanding bullets the bears all ceased any aggressive attitude and went to biting at their wounds. He also said they died considerably faster. He said bears shot with non expanding bullets died slowly if at all and showed virtually no effect to being hit. Interesting stuff. I crawled into a shallow bear den after a wounded black bear. It was so tight in there that I pushed my Ruger Security Six loaded with 173 grain KSWC's ahead of me with my right arm extended. When I felt the gun touch the bear I unloaded 5 rounds into it. Not a fair test though as the bear had been lung shot with a 300 Win Mag and was breathing its last as I unloaded into it. I removed myself from the den, reloaded and went back in but by then it was all over but the skinning.


Why only five rounds? :D
 
I wish I could remember the name of a book, and the author, I read many years ago.
It was about a guy who spent most of his working life as an employee of a timber
company, over in Washington State, if I am remembering correctly.

His job was keeping the black bear population under control on the
company timberlands. Over his career he killed thousands of black
bears.

He would set bear traps chained to big fallen trees. Then check his
traps on a regular basis. He would kill the bears in the trap. Guess
what gun he carried.

A .38 Spl. revolver.
 
I don't bear hunt myself, but my friends who do tell me bear bleed out slowly, one had a wounded black bear climb the tree he had his tree stand in, he emptied a 30-30 into the beast before it expired. Seems the fist shot left the bear in a bad mood....
 
I wish I could remember the name of a book, and the author, I read many years ago.
It was about a guy who spent most of his working life as an employee of a timber
company, over in Washington State, if I am remembering correctly.

His job was keeping the black bear population under control on the
company timberlands. Over his career he killed thousands of black
bears.

He would set bear traps chained to big fallen trees. Then check his
traps on a regular basis. He would kill the bears in the trap. Guess
what gun he carried.

A .38 Spl. revolver.

Crazy, if you could rack your brain for the title to that book I would like to read it. These type of people with their experiences are the type of reads I like. The person I referred to in an above post worked the same type of control that the person you mentioned had done. This guy was a gun nut and tried many different calibers and loads. In the 44 magnum caliber he liked expanding bullets and he was one of the co-inventors of Hornaday's XTP bullets, which was designed from his experiences. The 357 magnums the op asked about, he said very little about. There has been several people who have had bad luck with soft point ammo and bears. The late great Bob Milik shot a small black bear 5 times in the head at close range with 158 grain soft points and the bullets failed to penetrate the skull and simply mushroomed against the skull. Interestingly enough the guide killed the bear with a head shot from a Colt Woodsman in 22 long rifle. A game warden in Yellowstone shot an attacking grizzly several times in the head at inches away to have the 125 grain bullets do the same and just mushroom against the skull. As I sais earlier, interesting stuff.
 
3030remchester I searched my brain but found nothing. I called the
library and gave a nice lady all the information I could recall.
She said she would try to find the book for me and call me.
I will sure let you know if she finds it.
Apparantly there were/are so many black bears in Washington State
that they scrape the bark off trees to get at the sweet stuff inside and
consequently kill a lot of trees. Timberland owners form Timber
Protection Associations and hire hunters to snare/trap/kill the bears.
I did find in my notes that the story I referred to was in the 1950s and
1960s and the guy who wrote the book was credited with over 1,100
bear kills.
 
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3030remchester: The lady at the library just called. She found it.
The title is "Education of a Bear Hunter" by Ralph Flowers.
I'm going to the library tomorrow, pick it up, and read it again.
But I'm quite sure it is the book I remembered.
I checked with Amazon and they have them starting under ten bucks.
 
I picked up the above mentioned book yesterday and started re-reading
it. It's a good read, but my memory must be playing tricks on me. I am
probably getting other books I have read mixed in with my comments
about this one. This guy not only used a .38, he used .270, .22, .357,
and others. There is a brave man (or dumb?) going after bear with a .22
 
I mean no disrespect to the OP or even helpful responders.

If you think that a J frame loaded with hot 357s is even decent for bear protection, I think you're delerious! Trying to fire quickly and accurately with a J frame when you are in fear of your life will be impossible except for the coolest shootist. It would probably work better whe. The bear was on top of you mauling away. Speed and accuracy at any distance under fear with sweaty hands and pounding heart, using a J frame, no!
 
Why does everyone have to mention that the bear is black ? What difference does its color make ? This discrimination and predjuce against black bears has to stop. After all, when a Polar bear eats someone we dont say a white bear ate somebody?
 
I mean no disrespect to the OP or even helpful responders.

If you think that a J frame loaded with hot 357s is even decent for bear protection, I think you're delerious! Trying to fire quickly and accurately with a J frame when you are in fear of your life will be impossible except for the coolest shootist. It would probably work better whe. The bear was on top of you mauling away. Speed and accuracy at any distance under fear with sweaty hands and pounding heart, using a J frame, no!

Perhaps the best time to employ your .357 "J" Frame Revolver would be when the Bear is on top of you and pauses to say grace ?
 
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