How about a S&W M&P 10mm?

[TSchuster]

What about Winchester Silvertip?
Add my name to the list to buy one.

 

[oldguyshoot]

If it was offered in the full size, it would be on my must have list as my next purchase. It could never be a compact or sub compact, it would snap your wrist.

I owned the Glock compact 10mm, and it was not hard to shoot at all. I found it was easier to shoot than the Glock 40 cal full size, at least for me. Much better than shooting 357 out of a J-Frame. I regret selling it.

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Regarding ammo selection:

Corbon DPX
Bullet Wt.: 155gr DPX
Velocity: 1200fps
Energy: 496ftlbs

 

[forrestinmathews]

I agree that the M&P would be nicer to shoot in 10mm than a glock. I don't care what size they make it in as long as it isn't a shield. I'd like a four inch model best. Accuracy and packability are best in this length.

I also believe that it's a great idea for those who want to take a gun into the backwoods and not have to lug around a heavy revolver.

The M&P is simple to maintain in the field with nothing more than an oily rag, a pipe cleaner, and a key. Fall in the mud? Wash it off, unload it, detail strip and dry. Wipe down with oily rag. Use key to press down spring cup and slide back plate off of slide. Clean striker channel with pipe cleaner. Reassemble. Reload. Get on with life.

Funny that this thread came up. I just took a hike on the AT this past weekend and had my M&P 9 with me because of the simplicity of maintenance. One of the people in the party expressed doubt about its ability to stop a bear. While I was confident a Bill drill to the head would be sufficient, I began to wonder about a 10mm M&P at that moment. I think we should bug S&W until they do it. We could always threaten to ream out .40 slides and mount them on .45 frames.

 

[snowman.45]

I've owned at 1066 and a G29. The 10mm is no more punishing than .357 in heavier loadings. I'd love to see an M&P in 10mm.

 

[Ghost_Soldier]

I would definitely buy a M&P10c to go along with my G29.

 

[WR Moore]

I carried an issue 1006 for about 16 years. I can't for the life of me figure out the attraction of the cartridge. S&W could never recoup the money necessary to engineer, prototype, test and produce a 10mm M&P. Therefore, it will never build one...............................unless some distributor ponys up the necessary bucks AND S&W has room in the production schedule. Since S&W is running flat out and has orders for more stuff (that it already makes) than it can produce in the forseeable future, isn't going to happen anytime soon.

 

[forrestinmathews]

The real reason why this likely won't happen has nothing to do with production capacity. It has everything to do with whining. They don't have the CS staff to deal with all the whining about this and that. See all the threads that should've been entitled "My M&P doesn't shoot like my STI/Sig/Kimber even though it cost half to a third as much" or "My gun doesn't work because my wrist is sore and I'm suffering from endowment depletion in the lower pelvic region."

The 10mm is a self sufficient person's gun for the few men and women who still possess the motivation to problem solve on their own and not whine about it. It's the person who's comfy four days out from the concrete jungle with a pack on their back soaked to the bone from a rain storm. The person who ventures down the dark road in life unafraid of what may lie in wait opting instead to deal with it as it comes. The person who gets out of the vehicle and changes their own flat tires because they can do it faster and better than triple A.

Now to figure out:
• The optimum twist for the KKM barrel
• Whether or not the .40 mags are long enough to accommodate a 10mm
• How much to close the feed lips on a .45 mag to get it to feed reliably

 

[gkitch]

If Glock can make a solid 10mm, why can't our friends at S&W?
I will buy one. The 10mm is a favorite and I already handload for it.

 

[forrestinmathews]

If Glock can make a solid 10mm, why can't our friends at S&W?
I will buy one. The 10mm is a favorite and I already handload for it.

For sure! The 10mm isn't as finicky as it's shorter sister. I believe there would be less over pressure risk from the 10mm. Of course it's a big and bad cartridge with an undeserved reputation for jamming and splitting in unsupported applications. Oh well sounds like fun! We'll see if they hear us.

 

[redrock]

What about the Buffalo Bore 10 MM round?

One BB 10mm self defense round uses the all copper Barnes 155gr TAC-XP bullet. Personally not a fan of this bullet design that is overly long relative to its weight. The Barnes is .732" long compared to .685" for the 10mm 200gr Hornady XTP. The powder is being compressed [those that have taken the BB round apart have verified this] to jam enough powder in to push this bullets to BB's desired velocity, which does make you wonder about pressure levels, especially when Barnes suggested loading data indicates ~300-400fps slower than what BB is selling.

The other SD round is an undisclosed 180gr JHP bullet (Montana Gold?). Velocity is only one part of the equation and if the bullets are MG, then I'm not interested.

What about Winchester Silvertip?

One of the best 10mm factory rounds being sold today, but it remains a dated bullet design. That is not to say it wouldn't work, but the full potential of the round is still not being realized here.

Hmm what about double tap? Underwood?

DT lied to everyone in the past and I'm done with them.

Underwood showed promise, but the 180gr Gold Dot offering demonstrates what happens when you overdrive a bullet beyond its design parameters: it fails.

Video test results here: 10mm Underwood Ammo Gold Dot 180 gr Ammo Test - YouTube

Which leaves us with nothing commercially available that is appreciably better for SD purposes than the best 40S&W rounds being offered. The problem remains that everyone is trying to push bullets designed for the 40S&W to higher velocities than engineered to support. Much of the gains in modern bullet design has simply not trickled down to the 10mm. Even the similarly nichey 357Sig has done better making inroads in to LE, and as a result, we can buy Federal HST and Winchester Ranger T for it.

 

[forrestinmathews]

So why can't the Hornady bullet be used? Nosler looks like they have something decent in their 200 gr HP.

Please tell me or PM me about the Doubletap issues. Very interested.

I've resurrected the 10 mm M&P thread on the wish list. Interested parties should set it on fire.

 

[redrock]

So why can't the Hornady bullet be used? Nosler looks like they have something decent in their 200 gr HP.

Hornady does makes a great hunting round in the deeply penetrating XTP bullet. Nosler has a new bonded self defense ammo product in 40S&W but no 10mm loading. Unless I missed something, I haven't seen any 10mm bullets available to reloaders from Nosler that are HST/Ranger T style modern JHP designs.

Please tell me or PM me about the Doubletap issues. Very interested.

You'll have to Google for yourself as I'm not interested in rehashing DT's history in public or via PM. I will say the advertised velocities of the ammunition I bought from them never once came close to delivering what was claimed.

Below is a link to a spreadsheet someone else put together that details these inflated claims and compares them to the various other competing 10mm offerings. Look at column B (actual) vs D (claimed) velocities. Tabs are at the bottom for selecting bullet weights.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E&hl=en#gid=4

I've resurrected the 10 mm M&P thread on the wish list. Interested parties should set it on fire.

A link would be handy here...

 

[eb07]

You'll have to Google for yourself as I'm not interested in rehashing DT's history in public or via PM. I will say the advertised velocities of the ammunition I bought from them never once came close to delivering what was claimed.

Below is a link to a spreadsheet someone else put together that details these inflated claims and compares them to the various other competing 10mm offerings. Look at column B (actual) vs D (claimed) velocities. Tabs are at the bottom for selecting bullet weights.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E&hl=en#gid=4

So in looking at the chart Underwood advertised 1300FPS with their 180gr offering and the actual was 1295FPS

looks like some of the rounds actually exceeded the average velocity.... out of a 4.75" barrel such as the 155, the 135, and the 165

I am not sure what your argument is here. Thsi document you posted seems to prove your claims wrong.... Did I miss something?

Never mind you were referring to Double Tap.... sorry.

 

[forrestinmathews]

Your point is made. I figure they are either using a six inch test barrel or some other bogus test medium like a T/C Contender.

first thread
second thread

 

[Dino1]

I would definitely buy a M&P10c to go along with my G29.

M&P 10c would be a handful, I'll let you test fire that bad boy first. Wear a wrist brace for that one. 10 mm needs a hefty recoil spring and heavy slide, with a large frame. That round has a no joking around recoil to it. Some serious engineering would have to go into a reliable compact pistol in 10mm. It would be all steel for sure. Some folks feel the .40 is to much.

 

[forrestinmathews]

M&P 10c would be a handful, I'll let you test fire that bad boy first. Wear a wrist brace for that one. 10 mm needs a hefty recoil spring and heavy slide, with a large frame. That round has a no joking around recoil to it. Some serious engineering would have to go into a reliable compact pistol in 10mm. It would be all steel for sure. Some folks feel the .40 is to much.

It's all subjective this recoil you speak of. I find the nature of the recoil impulse of the 10mm cartridge to be easily sustainable. Due to its muzzle rise during my management of the recoil I do not have the same splits between shots as a 9mm. As I do not often miss with my first shot this is of no consequence to me. I do not feel it has a sharp impulse as in the heavy .357, .44 or .454. I am finding more than anything that recoil impulse is a relationship between case operating pressure, projectile mass, and weapon mass. For example I perceive more recoil from the .454 when fired out of my 460xvr than I do the .460 S&W.

 

[snowman.45]

M&P 10c would be a handful, I'll let you test fire that bad boy first. Wear a wrist brace for that one. 10 mm needs a hefty recoil spring and heavy slide, with a large frame. That round has a no joking around recoil to it. Some serious engineering would have to go into a reliable compact pistol in 10mm. It would be all steel for sure. Some folks feel the .40 is to much.

With all due respect for your opinion, the Glock 20 and 29 are 10mm and are not hard to handle. Recoil is reasonably stout, but not to that great of an extent. I've shot some pretty hot 10mm, including some of my own loads of 165 gr. at about 1200 fps. It is not that stiff. In fact, I've found some 158 gr. .357 mag. is harder to handle.

I realize that recoil is a subjective thing, and is dependent upon each individual's perception, but I seriously believe that the stories of the 10mm being unmanageable are a bit exaggerated. I've never found it to be anywhere near .41 or .44 magnum in recoil.

 

[Dino1]

Those are very interesting feedbacks, but the 357 and 454 were probably shot out of steel framed pistols. Not saying they were, but my guess is they were. In my opinion that makes it a whole new game than shooting out of a polymer handgun. I have not shot a 10mm out of a polymer gun so I can not give you accurate feedback on it, but I have shot it from a steel framed gun and can tell you that it has some snap to it. I carry and shoot .40 on a regular basis own more than one, and can say the 10 mm has more recoil. As stated it would take some engineering to make a good 10 mm in a compact model and make it manageable. that gun would be a handful.

 

[Gischileu]

I've got a custom 1911 longslide in 10mm. The heavy stainless frame really tames the recoil - but it's really not too bad in my Glock 20 either. If Smith put a M&P Shield out in 10mm, I'd happily get in line for one.

I think that most of the complaints about the 10mm are overstated - and were started by the limp-wristed FBI anyway. I love the cartridge and my two pistols - they're my go to guns when I'm in the back country here in Kolorado.

 

[Ghost_Soldier]

M&P 10c would be a handful, I'll let you test fire that bad boy first. Wear a wrist brace for that one. 10 mm needs a hefty recoil spring and heavy slide, with a large frame. That round has a no joking around recoil to it. Some serious engineering would have to go into a reliable compact pistol in 10mm. It would be all steel for sure. Some folks feel the .40 is to much.

I carry underwood 165gr jhp in my glock 29 ( which is a compact polymer framed 10mm if you didn't know) and the recoil is not as bad as you make it out to be, no wrist brace needed at all. I'll gladly shoot a compact M&P 10mm.