How close is too close, for faster running threat animals?

[richbuff]

Tueller Drill mentions 21 feet, for humans. How close is too close for a dangerous charging animal? Can the Tueller concept be modified to apply to animals by multiplying by a conversion factor? If a dangerous animal can run X times faster than the average human can run, then can we adjust the 21 foot rule to X times 21 feet?

If a charging animal can run only twice as fast as the average human attacker, that still yields 42 feet for Tueller/animal drill, correct?

If another charging animal can run 30 miles per hour, is 50 feet too close?

 

[Rustyt1953]

If a dangerous animal is charging me I'm not gonna take the time to whip out a slide rule.

 

[arjay]

If something with big teeth,hooves,horns or antlers is within 50 yards,I wouldn't take my eyes off of it ;-)

 

[Ozark Marine]

The Ozark Marine Rule.
When you see it, kill it.
If you don't see it till it's charging you fire till you empty the mag or cylinder.

 

[crazyphil]

richbuff I think you reached the wrong conclusion in your example.
If the charging animal is twice as fast as the human he will reach you
in half the time. So the 21 feet would not be 42 feet, it would be
10 & 1/2 feet.

 

[jchodur]

No, richbuff is correct. If an animal is twice as fast as a human you would have to be ready to shoot when it is twice as far as a human. The animal will cover the 42 feet in the same time as a human can cover 21 feet.

 

[Bugkiller99]

“Rule of thumb”
Hold your thumb out at outstretched arms length. If the tip of your thumb doesn’t hide the entire animal, it’s way too close.

 

[BC38]

Depends. If your gun is in your hands and ready, 30 feet seems like time to pull the trigger. If not, about 100 feet is time to GET it into your hands and ready...

 

[snubbyfan]

One fine summer day, my wife and I were exploring a long abandoned dirt road up in the mountains. There was a large tree blocking it and as I came around it, way off in the distance, I saw a black bear and a coupla smaller black bears.
That was plenty close enough for me. We turned around and headed back the way we came.

 

[rwsmith]

When you come up....

One fine summer day, my wife and I were exploring a long abandoned dirt road up in the mountains. There was a large tree blocking it and as I came around it, way off in the distance, I saw a black bear and a coupla smaller black bears.
That was plenty close enough for me. We turned around and headed back the way we came.

When you come upon an animal and its young, you should already be going in the other direction before you see it.

 

[Skwirl]

I'm not familiar with any of this kinda math.
Here's a story I read before the internet days.

An outdoor photographer was attacked and killed by a brown bear out west somewhere.
The 1st pic was the bear on a ledge above him, 40 yes away. There was 3 pics total. The 2nd pic showed the bear closed the distance more than half. The 3rd pic was brown.
I figure I could press that camera button pretty fast.

 

[Skwirl]

No, richbuff is correct. If an animal is twice as fast as a human you would have to be ready to shoot when it is twice as far as a human. The animal will cover the 42 feet in the same time as a human can cover 21 feet.

That's cause the animal has 4 legs, right, lol.

 

[Skeet 028]

||||||||I have read and been told hat a bear in a seious charge can cover 40yd in 3 1/2 to 4 seconds. I know they can outrun a horse. That is why I do not trust bear spray. You would have to have it OR any firearm in your hand when they start a charge. Bear spray does Not work at 40 yds while a firearm may. That said, I don't want to shoot a bear or any other animal if I don't have to. I shot a rabid coon at under 10 ft once. He started for me at over 30 ft. I hit it 4 times with the 9mm before it was stopped permanently. But hey...it was all I had at the time. Don't let any animal that could be dangerous get close. Not even a human

 

[nachogrande]

FEAR...

If the intensity of fear is the constant X, Nacho will be moving at X squared.

 

[Inusuit]

I'm with Rusty. Shoot/no shoot decision will be based on the behavior of the animal and my options for retreat, not a theoretical distance. Provided you see the animal before it nails you from behind, which is mountain lion behavior.

 

[ExRanger714]

If he's up to speed at 30 mph at 50 feet away he's gonna cover 44 feet in the next second.

He's easier to hit if you shoot down his long axis from low in front.

 

[richbuff]

Depends. If your gun is in your hands and ready, 30 feet seems like time to pull the trigger. If not, about 100 feet is time to GET it into your hands and ready...

Thanks for all replies.
In an ambush charge, there is no time to make a calculated decision. Frontal cortical grey processes are out of the equation, due to no time for such when ambushed. When an animal appears full vicious, there is a lower limbic grey instinctive fear response. I don't have to contemplate how vicious the animal appears; instead the fear signal is autonomically generated as an instant reflex. When an animal appears headed towards me, with me as its obvious target, too furious, too close, to fast, the signal to get it into my hands is generated reflexively, not based on cerebral calculation.

If a reasonable person has immediate fear of loss of life or bodily harm due to ambush, he is allowed to initiate the process of clearing leather without having to show his math worksheet to the authorities. If I clear leather at 50 feet, that is because I experienced a very strong instinctive signal to do so at that time/distance, based not on taking time to cogitate about the mathematics of the situational time, speed and distance.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Thanks for all replies.
In an ambush charge, there is no time to make a calculated decision. Frontal cortical grey processes are out of the equation, due to no time for such when ambushed. When an animal appears full vicious, there is a lower limbic grey instinctive fear response. I don't have to contemplate how vicious the animal appears; instead the fear signal is autonomically generated as an instant reflex. When an animal appears headed towards me, with me as its obvious target, too furious, too close, to fast, the signal to get it into my hands is generated reflexively, not based on cerebral calculation.

If a reasonable person has immediate fear of loss of life or bodily harm due to ambush, he is allowed to initiate the process of clearing leather without having to show his math worksheet to the authorities. If I clear leather at 50 feet, that is because I experienced a very strong instinctive signal to do so at that time/distance, based not on taking time to cogitate about the mathematics of the situational time, speed and distance.

That's what I said.

 

[SuperMan]

"If a reasonable person has immediate fear of loss of life or bodily harm due to ambush, he is allowed to initiate the process of clearing leather without having to show his math worksheet to the authorities. If I clear leather at 50 feet, that is because I experienced a very strong instinctive signal to do so at that time/distance, based not on taking time to cogitate about the mathematics of the situational time, speed and distance."

...all you have to do is convince the reasonable people at F&G...

 

[Skwirl]

Huh? ^^^
Um, yeah. What he said, lol.
I think, maybe.
Yeah, threatening attack = shoot.