How "light" can the 44 Magnum be loaded?

4.5 to 5 grains of Bullseye I think is about what you may be looking for. It sounds like you are looking for something lighter than the standard target load of 8gr of Unique or Universal.
I never use other caliber brass either in my 44 mags. They will shoot a light load just as well as a 44 Special case.
 
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Any of you guys worked-up an lighter loads using HP38 (431)?

vico, yes! And, it's the answer of "my formula" for the original question too:

I use a 225gr RNFP and 5.6grs of W231/HP38. I figure this is going around 700fps or so in a 44 Magnum. I load the same load in 44 Special brass for about 800fps.

This is the exact same load I load in 45ACP brass (except with a .452" 225gr RN cast bullet), so I can unequivocally state that the 44 load is very similar to a 45ACP! :)

Of course, in an N-frame Smith, it's making less recoil than a 45ACP, because of the heavier pistol the Smith is...

Makes double-action shooting absolutely a breeze and fun. You can really concentrate on the sights and forget about recoil and muzzle blast.

My only complaint about it is that 231 can be pretty smokey, especially with cast bullet lubes on humid days...
 
I don't know if this will help you or not, but I ask that question of a powder manufacturer (BULLSEYE) when I was trying to work up a load for a 100gr. bullet. This is what the guy told me. You can use the least amount of powder that you want as long as you can get the bullet out of the barrel without sticking it. So, I was shooting a 38 special 100gr. DEWC using 2.5grs. of BULLSEYE. IT WOULD POUND TACKS......................CookE
 
First, please let me explain my goal.

I have a D550 and have reloaded a few thousand rounds - 38, 45, and 10mm.

I have come to love the 44 more and more and have a few with bbls between 4" and 7.5".

I shoot a lot of things with relatively high volume and am seriously considering curtailing the collection in favor of shooting the same few guns all the time.

For the purposes of my revolvers, I'm thinking I'd like to reload for my 44's and shoot them rather than my 357's that are currently doing duty as 38s.

Normally when I'm shooting in volume, it is in a class of some sort - I might shoot 1000 rounds in 2-3 days. My goal is to get as close as I can to mastering the double action pull with great accuracy with those light loads.

So, all that said - can I load the 44 to be tolerable for high volume, light loads?

How slow can you SAFELY push a 200 or 240 grain bullet, and if you have a good formula, please share...

My goal would be to have the same or less recoil than a 1911 generates with standard 45 ball ammo.

Thanks!
I'm shooting 4.5 grains of unique as a cowoy load. That is as light as I think I can safely go.
 
When you consider that the "low end" is .44 Special, you have options.
I load 5.0 grains of UNIQUE,[.44 Special/.44 Magnum] with an estimated velocity of 600 feet per second.
 
How long do cases last with these light loads? It would seem that most of the wear is from the dies.
 
How long do cases last with these light loads? It would seem that most of the wear is from the dies.

Yes, IF the dies are very tight and the chambers are very loose, there can be a wear issue on the brass, but the relationship in my pistols (5) and the older set of dies and pistol in this caliber which I learned on 35 years ago was just fine. I think the tight dies/loose chamber is the exception rather than the rule. And, if you run into it, with these light loads, I'd just start "half-sizing" the brass.

This is like what can be done for a rifle when you don't have neck-size dies but you want that effect, and you just run the cases in deep enough to get them to re-insert back in the chamber, but you're not full-length resizing them. This also re-sizes enough of the neck to give you good bullet tension, but keeps better alignment because part of the case is still close in size to the diameter of the chamber... This works good on a revolver, as long as the various chambers in your cylinder are pretty much the same. If you have one tight chamber, you could mark it, but with two tight chambers, doing this will leave you with a "four-shooter..."

Without this problem, and because I have many guns in this caliber that all eat my reloads, I prefer full-length sizing. I've got some cases with 20 reloadings on them, and they're fine. The place I wear out first is the mouth of the case from the constant bell-mouth & crimping (which works the brass even more than re-sizing).

Another issue which can develop from shooting these light loads is carbon smudging/fouling/burning on the OUTside of the case. These loads (worse the lighter you go) can develop so little pressure that they don't cause the case to swell up and seal off, so some of the burning powder gets between the case and the chamber wall and makes a hard, burned-on carbon smudge. This is unsightly, and if not cleaned sufficiently could scratch the sizer die (in theory -- I've always cleaned and lubed the cases enough to not let this happen, so that tidbit is not from personal experience). My recommendation is to just get some citric acid and wash the cases in that for 5-10 minutes, and the brass will come out shiney as new.

One last caveat about these light loads. I think it was said before, but when shooting JACKETED bullets, you must stick to higher loads to prevent sticking a jacket in the barrel. (The core often keeps on going and hits the target giving the shooter no clue the jacket has stuck...) With cast bullets there is no issue, because they are homogenous, and the other nice thing about cast lead is that it's lower bore friction means you can load them down lower than jacketed anyway and still get them to clear the end of the barrel.
 
Lightest .44 mag. load

The lightest load (at least from felt recoil) I have ever shot is a 200 gr. cast bullet and 4.3 gr of 700x.
This from Hodgdon and shoots very well from a 6" barrel.

Jeff
 
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3 grains Unique and a .430 round ball. That is with a 6 " barrel. It may get stuck in a 8 3/4 barrel as I did not have one to try it with.
But 5 grains makes a good 25 yard thumper.
 
The last couple years I've found regardless of caliber or powder, any of my own big bore revolvers are accurate enough and very pleasant throwing 200-230 grains of lead downrange at 750-950 fps.

I've come to prefer Trail Boss, Tite Group, HP38 as they are readily available in my area.

While not conclusive, it appears my own eye/hand/wobble adds more variation in group size than the recipe does, at least at short-middle ranges. I was striving to make low-spread standard deviation loads, until the club chronograph was blasted by some idiot.

I've quit buying Unique, VV and Clays for various reasons. Still have a variety of other powders on hand as well.

Been trying out SR4756 in 38. No conclusion yet. The only auto pistol round I enjoy loading is the 45 acp.
 
two loads come to mind. 5.5 grains of bullseye and 6.5 grains of 231 both were pushing a 240 lswc out of winchester cases. lit the fire with winchester standard primers-no longer made! Back in the day before glasses I have a 25 yd. target (standing two hands) with 12 rounds touching using 231. How I miss those days!
 

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