How many guns do you carry at one time?

Gene L said:
There used to be a guy in Michigan who had a website and was pretty well known, I guess. He was invited to speak at our LE state firearms trainers seminar 12 years or so ago, so he must have had a rep in those circles. He cancelled our event for some reason I can't recall.

Anyway, he was a retired cop from Detroit, and said he was a huge guy, maybe 300 pounds. He SAID he carried 8 guns on his person. (!!!) He didn't say what guns he carried or where on his body he carried them.

He was a bit of a strange guy, an anarchist (he said) and maybe religious. He didn't tolerate bad language or even initials for bad words. I got banned quickly; one of my sins was saying I was an FNG.

I don't know who he is/was and only assume he lived in MI because he retired from there. He had a kind of school or range and a few loyal followers.
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Sounds like Evan Marshall.
 
stansdds said:
Just one. A CCW permit does not give me the authority to save the world, it only gives me permission to carry concealed for the purpose of self defense.
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Also, in the legal world, you have no obligation to save the world. Can't nobody be mad at you if you don't ;)
 
I think a huge percentage of CCW holders virtually never carry concealed. An honest answer to this question for most would be either "none" much of the time. Or "when I do it is this many"
 
The number, type and ammo count is different now than when I was being paid to look for trouble. But old habits die hard and I can't quite get to the place of saying "everybody else can look out for themselves".
 
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Trooper224 said:
Most people aren't proficient with one gun. One or two more are just excess baggage.
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Wait... Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding you here, but ere you implying that a firearm is dead weight if the person who's carrying it hasn't achieved peak proficiency with it?

If so, then I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

Besides, what would you consider to be proficient? If you mean simply being familiar with the manual of operation for the firearm and establishing point of aim with defensive ammunition, then that's at least reasonable, but if you actually mean true proficiency, as in having received actual firearms training rather than simply shooting at stationary targets at the range, then that's completely absurd.

Most folks rarely need to do more than draw a firearm to end an attack, even less need to discharge their firearm, and only under extreme circumstances does the average joe need to shoot their attacker until he's no longer capable of moving under his own power.
Not that I'm saying that folks should count on an attacker to immediately surrender, obviously you don't draw until you need to shoot, and you don't hesitate until the threat is neutralized, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that a firearm is dead weight in the hands of an untrained individual. (It's not exactly difficult to draw, aim, shoot and hit a target within the average distance in which confrontations occur.)
 
Dirty Harry Callahan said:
Wait... Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding you here, but ere you implying that a firearm is dead weight if the person who's carrying it hasn't achieved peak proficiency with it?

If so, then I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

Besides, what would you consider to be proficient? If you mean simply being familiar with the manual of operation for the firearm and establishing point of aim with defensive ammunition, then that's at least reasonable, but if you actually mean true proficiency, as in having received actual firearms training rather than simply shooting at stationary targets at the range, then that's completely absurd.

Most folks rarely need to do more than draw a firearm to end an attack, even less need to discharge their firearm, and only under extreme circumstances does the average joe need to shoot their attacker until he's no longer capable of moving under his own power.
Not that I'm saying that folks should count on an attacker to immediately surrender, obviously you don't draw until you need to shoot, and you don't hesitate until the threat is neutralized, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that a firearm is dead weight in the hands of an untrained individual. (It's not exactly difficult to draw, aim, shoot and hit a target within the average distance in which confrontations occur.)
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Since you want to debate semantics I'll make it clearer for you. Most people are borderline incompetent in the employment of a firearm. I hope that's clearer for you Mr. Thesaurus. I spend at least two days a week on a public range and the lack of basic understanding is shocking. I'm talking about being able to efficiently clear a malfunction without staring dumbfounded at the weapon for ten seconds before taking action, or being able to hit the ocean from the beach at less than ten yards. I'm not talking about being John Wick. If you haven't grasped the basic manual of administrative arms your weapon requires and you can't perform it in even an absence of stress on a square range, carrying more than one isn't going to help you.

If a person is going to exercise their RIGHT of carrying a firearm for self defense, they need to exercise the RESPONSIBILITY of being proficient with their weapon. Yes, that means something more than "simply shooting at the range", it means being as capable as you can be, for yourself as well as everyone else who may be present when you pull the trigger. If you can't agree with that than we need no further discussion.
 
There's no need to get all worked up over it, I was merely asking you for clarification because you made a rather strong statement without really going into detail about it.

Folks have differing opinions of proficiency when it comes to firearms and I merely wanted to know what yours was in order to better understand the implications of your statement.

Unfortunately, that's what tends to happen when you make blunt, strong statements without an explanation, your statements get taken at face value, thus making you appear as though you're making an unreasonable assertion.

I myself have never witnessed such gross incompetence with a firearm as you are describing, but then again, most range officers typically make short work of such displays by either giving the shooter some advice or otherwise they tend to be escorted off the range if they're just slinging lead haphazardly.

Lastly, this is just the way that I talk, and I don't consider it to be excessively wordy, but I'll take it as a compliment that you consider my speech so eloquent as to refer to me as a walking thesaurus. :D
 
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How many depends.

From get up until go to bed, an LCP in my front pocket in a Mika pocket holster. If I'm forced to go somewhere that I feel has more risk, I'll add a Glock 19 (spring/winter/fall) or a Shield 1.0 (summer). I have a Milt Sparks VMII's for the Glock and Shield.

In the winter, if I'm wearing a heavy coat that makes it hard to get to the pocket LCP, I'll carry a 640 in a Mika pocket holster in my coat pocket.
 
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375hh1973 said:
Yup I said clips.
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Live a low key life in a rural HOA, so comfortable with just an LCP and extra mag for EDC.

If headed to Costco these days, however, switch to a Sig P365 with extra mag, may need extra firepower to guard the TP on the way out.

And always have a 9mm semi with thumb safety and two extra mags inside the truck's steel Console Vault. Heading somewhere of concern, it's out of the vault riding next to my leg on a magnetic mount.
 
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375hh1973 said:
Sig P226 in .357sig and 2 spare clips. Yup I said clips.
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WHAAAAAAT?!

*sparks spray out of ears*

Th-Th-They're called M-M-MAAAGAAAZIIINESSS!!!

*head explodes*

But seriously, I've never understood why that bothers everyone so much, especially given just how many folks on gun forums seem to have a penchant for colloquialisms.

You don't see folks insisting that pistols be referred to as "Self-Loading Pistols" or ammunition being referred to as "Cartridges" whenever someone says bullets, but heaven forbid someone refer to Magazines as "Clips".
Honestly, if you ever want a comeback to that, tell them that if they're going to get technical, then they should be referred to as "Detachable Box Magazines" because even clip-fed firearms such as the Mauser C96 or M1 Garand had magazines.

Meanwhile, just about every firearms forum has users from all over the world tossing around regional slang and bizarre informal speech that requires repeated consultation of a dictionary to understand without blinking an eye, but if you use anything even vaguely resembling proper English then folks start calling you; "Mr. Thesaurus".

Would it be better if spoke like this? "I'ma go pick me up a crocker sack of boolits for some Frank & Sons, then I'ma go to the gunnery n' crack a few off before the lights go dim n' I gotta hit the ol' dusty trail." Because I can, but it would feel awkward and forced because that's just not how I talk. So how about we all just speak however comes natural, quit splitting hairs over nomenclature, and focus on what we all have in common, a fondness/appreciation of firearms?
 
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Trooper224 said:
Since you want to debate semantics I'll make it clearer for you. Most people are borderline incompetent in the employment of a firearm. I hope that's clearer for you Mr. Thesaurus. I spend at least two days a week on a public range and the lack of basic understanding is shocking. I'm talking about being able to efficiently clear a malfunction without staring dumbfounded at the weapon for ten seconds before taking action, or being able to hit the ocean from the beach at less than ten yards. I'm not talking about being John Wick. If you haven't grasped the basic manual of administrative arms your weapon requires and you can't perform it in even an absence of stress on a square range, carrying more than one isn't going to help you.

If a person is going to exercise their RIGHT of carrying a firearm for self defense, they need to exercise the RESPONSIBILITY of being proficient with their weapon. Yes, that means something more than "simply shooting at the range", it means being as capable as you can be, for yourself as well as everyone else who may be present when you pull the trigger. If you can't agree with that than we need no further discussion.
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I agree. I don't shoot at public ranges because of what I have seen there unless it's a weekday morning when nobody else is there. I've packed up and left when I see the parade of mutants coming into the range to make noise.
 
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