How Many Have DUMPED their J-Frame for a NEW MINI Semi-Auto?

eh... You just need to remember to take the horror stories you read on forums with a grain of salt. For every 1 person who posts an 'issue', the are at Least 100 (probably more like several thousand) owners with NO issues whatsoever that don't bother to post an 'attaboy' thread. It's simply the nature of gun forums. Just last year, I ran into someone who posted the same (cut & paste) pistol Bashing thread on every single Gun Forum he belonged to, as well as joining other forums (under other handles) in order to post his rant. His was an isolated issue, but if one didn't recognize the carbon copy rant as being the same guy, you'd swear that the brand had an epidemic problem and the company should probably close up shop. :rolleyes:

Also Remember that MANY gun owners only join a forum to ask about a problem (after the fact)... That many times ends up not actually being an issue, rather than using them for research before buying, or using it merely as a medium for camaraderie.

My 1989 G19 was flawless for the 20 I carried it (without getting a case of Glock Leg).
While some can't master the mulish PF-9, mine had no problems that weren't attributed to User Error (aka LimpWristing :))
and so far, the Shield that I've been carrying since May of '12 has been perfect as well.

Pistols aren't perfect, but most problems seem to occur someplace between the trigger finger and the brain. :D
 
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Jim1392 said:
Wow, what a great thread. I'm in the middle of considering getting a M & P Shield 9mm. I have an older J frame model 60 2 " that I used in an ankle holster for years. Now that I applied for my CCW here in North Carolina I have been considering the change even though I have never been convinced on how reliable automatics are. After reading some of the FTF, FTE, slide problems on the M & P threads, and same problems on other gun maker forums. I'm not convinced that I should make the change. And I do understand no gun is perfect. But on the other hand I'm totally confident that my j frame will work when I need it.
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Total confidence in your carry piece should solve your dilemma.

The 442 or 642 airweights have caught my eye and are very interesting just to drop a few ounces since I would rather start carrying IWB now that I'm a few years older. ;)
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I'm 61 years old and only carry IWB when I absolutely must. It's uncomfortable, and I'm all about comfort these days. If my Model 37 isn't in a pocket holster or very rarely on my ankle, it's in a holster on my belt.

ECS
 
I've carried a J-Frame off-duty and in retirement for 25 years. I tried a LCP, but it had stoppages at the range and got dirty quickly in my pocket. If you look at any pocket semi-auto on the web, you will read posts by owners with stoppages. I find that unacceptable.

Yes, J-Frames can break, but they don't break or jam like pocket pistols. Now, if I can't conceal a snubby, then my LCP or P-32 get the nod. They are better that sharp words or a pointy stick.

To me, the J-Frame is the AK-47 of pocket handguns. I also own the AK of the service pistols- the Glock and an AK clone rifle. Why?

Because the loudest noise in the world is "click". ;)
 
I picked up my new Sig P938 at the LGS last tuesday. Shot a total of 100 rounds through it so far with 100% reliability. Boy, is this a sweet little pistol! I've wanted something like this for about 30 years, ever since I read a gun report on the LaFrance Nova. I've got an Ace Case IWB holster on order for it, and after another 100 rounds or so it will most likely become my EDC.
 

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A couple good Articles on the consideration and use/carry. Definitely not for everyone, some "can't seem to get a grip".

Snub-Nosed Personal Defense Revolvers

The Theory of the Snubnose Revolver

This second article has lots of good links.

Mine. I carry it or a Seecamp .380 if I want something lighter and more discrete.


M&P 340 IMO the highest form of snub development and evolution.
 
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My every day carry is a 640-1(.357mag hammerless snubbie for you newbies) My BUG(back up gun) is either a .380 bodyguard or a M&P9C. Depending on weather and clothing options. Although here in Wyoming, sometimes the weather allows me to conceal 6" or longer N frames.

SWCA #1834
 
-I would feel equally safe carrying my Wife's Taurus 85 .38 Special as I would carrying my SD40 VE. Stoke that .38 with Hydro-Shoks, Hornady CD, or some other quality hollow point, and it's all good.

L8R,
Matt
 
I love my J frame, taught my daughters how to use one and bought them each one as a gift. They are adults.
Easy to check, easy to load and easy to unload.
Yiogo
 
I keep trying the small semi-autos but always come back to my 642, it is always the most comfortable.
 
Well, I did retire my J-frame last year. I found an AMT Back-up in .38 Super, and since all of my other carry guns are in .38 Super, it made more sense. Plus it carries 2 more rounds.
 
Springfield XDS in 45 ACP for me. I still shoot my Jframes at the range and keep it within reach at home though. The XDS is flatter and easier to conceal.
 
Dump My J-Frames?

Nope, I have not replaced my J-frames, rather it depends on the time of year, what I'm wearing and a scientific wild-assed guess (SWAG) about the threat level I may be going into as to what I carry. I like pocket carry and nothing beats a J-frame for this and I also believe the J-frame (Air-Weight) is also best for ankle carry. I sometimes pack (usually IWB) a Kahr CW40 if I'm wearing a belt and an un-tucked Hawaiian shirt or jacket/coat. This may at times be replaced with an HK P2000 in .40, if I know I'll be in a bad part of town. Here lately I've been carrying (no gasping) a Colt Police Positive Special with a 4" barrel in a pancake holster. It is very accurate and doesn't weigh much with its D-frame and pencil-thin barrel (circa 1916).
 
DAdams, I'm a fan of the Mika Pocket Holster and the CT Lasergrips too for my J-frames!

DAdams said:
A couple good Articles on the consideration and use/carry. Definitely not for everyone, some "can't seem to get a grip".

Snub-Nosed Personal Defense Revolvers

The Theory of the Snubnose Revolver

This second article has lots of good links.

Mine. I carry it or a Seecamp .380 if I want something lighter and more discrete.


M&P 340 IMO the highest form of snub development and evolution.
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Yes I replaced my 5 shot revolvers with a compact 9mm a few years ago (now a Shield 9). I just wasn't happy with my accuracy.
 
I'm seriously considering going from my M&P9 back to my 36 for everyday carry. Both are great guns but weight makes a difference sometimes. I've ordered a set of Crimson Trace grips for it for a little extra help.
 
Dump my J-frame? Surely you jest.

That's not to say I wouldn't consider acquiring a small autoloader for backup if I had the money; but I trust the little revolver implicitly and have for years.

I've owned automatics in the past and liked some of them a lot, but I gravitated back to revolvers fifteen years ago. For primary EDC it's no contest.
 
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About a dozen years ago, the weapon I used for duty was a Sig P220. I carried a S& W Model 49 off duty and as a back up gun. Then, I got to thinking...what if I actually NEEDED to fight for my life with my off-duty gun? What if I actually NEEDED to go to my back up gun? That would mean the P220 had, somehow, been insufficient. Would I really want to be reaching for a five shot .38 Special with a 1.8 inch barrel?

I love the little J frames, as a gun enthusiast...but this question caused me to make a change. I began carrying a 9mm Sig P225 off duty and as a back up gun. Eventually, I wound up carrying a Glock 21 as a duty gun, with a Glock 27 as an off-duty/backup gun.

The point I'm getting to is this: many who CCW make convenience too much of a priority. If you're going to the trouble of going armed at all, it's because you think there's the potential you might actually need it for self defense. If so, why limit yourself to a J frame OR a super sub compact semi auto (particularly something less then even a 9mm)? A weapon such as a Glock 26 or 27 is more capable and yet still quite handy.

Handguns are, of course, chosen for self defense due to their convenience, but when we put too much emphasis on convenience, we perhaps give up too much in terms of potential weapon performance.

Many years ago, I was in a confrontation with several large, aggressive young males. At that time, in my pre-LE days, I had a .380 Walther PPK/S on my ankle. Fortunately, the confrontation did not escalate to the point where I needed to resort to my pistol. The presence of the PPK/S had been reassuring right up until the time I suddenly found myself on the brink of a real fight. At that point, I realized how feeble a caliber it was...and how difficult it would be to access from that ankle holster if things suddenly turned ugly.

We're gun buffs, and tend to like guns and have feelings about this model or that model...and those positive feelings may cloud our more analytical judgment when it comes to selecting a tool for self defense. I don't choose the Glock 27 because it's my favorite pistol. It offers, though, an accurate, shootable, reliable platform, in a decent caliber, with adequate capacity (reinforced by a spare magazine), and is still small and light enough to have with me at all times. Even the 27 is a compromise between potential effectiveness and everyday convenience: If I wasn't so lazy, I'd carry my Glock 23 off duty instead!

There are a number of weapons in the same class as the Glock 27. They may not be as ultra convenient or unobtrusive as an LCP class pistol, but, if the day comes when you have to actually fight for your life with your self defense handgun, you'd be better off with the less convenient but more capable weapon.
 
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Good post Mr. Archer and well illustrates that people carry for different reasons.
 
I sometimes carry my 642, but usually it's my LCP or 9mm Shield. It comes down to capacity. The LCP is a 7+1 with the magazine base extender and the Shield is a 7+1 or 8+1.
 
I picked up a 642 last week and it will be my CCW when my County gets around to finishing up the paperwork. In the old days I had a Model 60 snub nose with a ankle holster for backup. Still have it. I'm just more confident with a revolver. But I'm watching tv last night and the is a video taken in an armed robbery of a local McDonalds. Three guys, one with a gun, one with a hammer, and the last one with a bat. Made me think a little about a little more fire power. Even though I'm sure if you took out the one with the gun the others might decide they are under gunned.;) Not to open a can of worms about what to carry, just thinking out loud since I know there are a hundred what if's with this kind of situation.
 
Should have made this a poll. Looks like vast majority have not switched. But reverse it to "how many have switched from a small auto to a J-Frame" and you will probably see a similar amount of devotion.

Me? 642 meets my needs fine.
 
It does seem like most have carefully considered their unique situations in making their carry decisions.
 
I traded my Model 49 for a Glock 26 and never looked back. More bullets, easier to shoot, better sights.
 
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