Lee's Landing Billy
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2 5 shot 38s. Carry every step..Shoot everyday!!!
How many reloads do you carry for revolvers?
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Live in a very low crime place so I do not always carry but when I do it is a M60 3".
I am a real believer in hitting what I am shooting at or don't pull the trigger. If the 5 in the gun are not enough, I went to the wrong place.
I am a real believer in hitting what I am shooting at or don't pull the trigger. If the 5 in the gun are not enough, I went to the wrong place.
Two speedloaders and one Bianchi speed strip... And if I'm in the woods an MTM ammo wallet.
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You need to consider that about 95% of all self defense shoots, even officer involved shoots are over and done with 5 rounds or less, fired at 5 yards or less in 5 seconds or less.
In fact, the FBI looked at 12 years of agent involved shoots and found that 75% involved 3 rounds or less at 3 yards or less.
Reloads are just not a factor in the vast majority of self defense shoots.
I'm not sure where you're working or your office policies, but my guess is that as a probation officer, you are not going to go into known hot situations, make calls in known hot areas, or go out to arrest a violator without a officer along to back you up.
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With that said, my preference is to carry a Model 66 or a Model 686+ as the K and L frame revolvers are much more effective shooters and the ballistics are better with a 2.5" or 3" barrel in either .38 +P or .357 Magnum loads.
They are a bot heavier, but in a good IWB holster they are not really any less comfortable to carry all day long and not much less concealable.
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Either way, a speed loader is still nice to have, and is much faster than a speed strip, but for concealment purposes you'll want to carry it in a slip over hold that slips over the belt and gives it a lower profile.
In fact, the FBI looked at 12 years of agent involved shoots and found that 75% involved 3 rounds or less at 3 yards or less.
Reloads are just not a factor in the vast majority of self defense shoots.
I'm not sure where you're working or your office policies, but my guess is that as a probation officer, you are not going to go into known hot situations, make calls in known hot areas, or go out to arrest a violator without a officer along to back you up.
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With that said, my preference is to carry a Model 66 or a Model 686+ as the K and L frame revolvers are much more effective shooters and the ballistics are better with a 2.5" or 3" barrel in either .38 +P or .357 Magnum loads.
They are a bot heavier, but in a good IWB holster they are not really any less comfortable to carry all day long and not much less concealable.
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Either way, a speed loader is still nice to have, and is much faster than a speed strip, but for concealment purposes you'll want to carry it in a slip over hold that slips over the belt and gives it a lower profile.
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I carry a 5 shoot 44spec 396 and 2 6 rod speed loaders. I have very little to actually worry about, but am a big bore guy. If I were working a job that constantly exposed me to the kind of people that are on parole I might chose differently, practice more with my light weight commander length 1911 and carry it. One on one in an office with other officers is one thing. Out on the street where you would never be sure about who else is around and what is going on a whole different story.
Does your agency have a position on this?
My brother in law and his wife are both parole officers. They received some "intel" that parole officers were a potential target. IMO, these days anyone with a badge is a potential target.
They have both started carrying their M&P 9 with two spare mags.
Their J frames are at home in the safe.
They have both started carrying their M&P 9 with two spare mags.
Their J frames are at home in the safe.
When CCW a revolver: two speed loaders.
HorizontalMike
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... Default How many reloads do you carry for revolvers? ...
Enough. PLEASE do NOT test that premise... PLEASE!
Enough. PLEASE do NOT test that premise... PLEASE!
Mtnfolk325
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Always at least two 6 round Speed Strips for J's, one in Watch/Coin Pocket and one on the belt. J's are carried in a Mika in the right front pocket. So, 17 rounds . If it is my 9mm LCR, I carry a Speed Strip of 6 in the Watch/Coin pocket and a Moon Clip of 5 in my left front, the LCR is then in the Mika in the right front. So, 16 that day. If carrying 2 revolvers, then a complete reload for each.
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MCorps0311
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I carry 5 spare rounds in my pocket with my revolvers.
shouldazagged
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I'm old, retired, in poor health, and don't get out a lot. I pocket carry a J-frame. Sometimes one speed strip, usually not.
I am, however, hoping to scrape up the money for an LCP as a hip pocket backup.
I am, however, hoping to scrape up the money for an LCP as a hip pocket backup.
Mehutch
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I carry a Colt Defender .45 with 7+1 in and two 7 round Wilson magazines as back-up. All loaded with Winchester 230gr. Ranger T... (22 rounds... just to be sure.)
My quick carry is my S&W 686-4 Plus with a 2.5" barrel, 7 shots of Bonded PDX1 and two HKS Speed Loader loaded the same. (21 rounds... just to get back home)
My quick carry is my S&W 686-4 Plus with a 2.5" barrel, 7 shots of Bonded PDX1 and two HKS Speed Loader loaded the same. (21 rounds... just to get back home)
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No its totally up to the officer. We have officers who totally decline to carry and some who only qualify for the training hours and never carry some dont carry any reload. I am 1 who carries everyday no matter what. No required amount of reloads.
Eddie Southgate
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2 speed loaders and sometime I will add a speed strip or two depending on how I am dressed and where I will be . I carry a 6 shot Colt Cobra . When I carry a 1911 I carry two extra 8 shot mags .
Eddie
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s2harry
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There are 4 kinds of days...
Good Day
Bad Day
The day you die.
The day you die because you did something stupid.
Always carry a reload.
Good Day
Bad Day
The day you die.
The day you die because you did something stupid.
Always carry a reload.
Why would you cede the ranged fight to your attacker after only five shots, when a couple speed strips cost almost nothing and drop easily into a pocket?
The other day I decided to belt on one of my G26's, using a Rosen Express Line Premier holster a close friend gave me as a gift several years ago. I've liked it for its nice quality, and its high & tight fit. Snug on the weapon. Easy to put an & take off a belt, and the holster loops allow for some adjustment of positioning around belt loops of pants.
Unfortunately, sitting in the car and in a rounded-back, wooden framed leather chair (at my cigar club) for many hours aggravated the "hot spots" resulting from so many years of IWB, duty leather gun belts and plainclothes gun belts.
The next day I switched to an older Blade-tech plastic paddle holster (made for the older, shorter J-frame cylinder/frame window length and non-sleeved barrels), and pulled my older 649 Bodyguard .38 Spl from the safe. That thin, wide curved paddle put no pressure on my hip and I was able to again forget I was wearing a belt gun. I might have to order a new one that will fit my M&P's.
While I can slip one of my Airweights or M&P 340's into a large inside breast pocket, pocket holstered, in some of my jackets, the extra ounces of weight of the all-steel 649 causes too much droop to suit me, so I usually break out a belt holster (or my camera/gun case) when an all-steel J is going to be carried. Ditto my SP101DAO, which is noticeably larger and heavier.
As I mentioned earlier, now that I'm no longer being paid to go out and actively try to find trouble and intervene, trouble is going to have to come and try to find me, so a smaller 5-shot snub doesn't cause me undue indigestion when carried as a retirement CCW.
That doesn't mean I might not carry a secondary weapon, then, when a J-frame is in a short belt scabbard or paddle and not in my jeans/slacks pocket. Not having the J-frame in a front pocket leaves room for one of my little LCP's, or maybe a NAA .22 LR or MAG.
Sure, it's likely a remote possibility I'd ever require a having an Onion Field-type "hideout" gun ... but unless I need that pocket for something else, it's often not a problem to slip one of those really diminutive .380's or .22's, in their pocket holsters, in that pocket.
Now, for work, it would require complying with any existing policies about approved weapons & calibers, and while I'd not mind once again carrying a 6-shot revolver for plainclothes (or a 7 or 8-shot model ), the 5-shot snubs would be relegated to more secondary/backup roles, than "primary" roles.
Unfortunately, sitting in the car and in a rounded-back, wooden framed leather chair (at my cigar club) for many hours aggravated the "hot spots" resulting from so many years of IWB, duty leather gun belts and plainclothes gun belts.
The next day I switched to an older Blade-tech plastic paddle holster (made for the older, shorter J-frame cylinder/frame window length and non-sleeved barrels), and pulled my older 649 Bodyguard .38 Spl from the safe. That thin, wide curved paddle put no pressure on my hip and I was able to again forget I was wearing a belt gun. I might have to order a new one that will fit my M&P's.
While I can slip one of my Airweights or M&P 340's into a large inside breast pocket, pocket holstered, in some of my jackets, the extra ounces of weight of the all-steel 649 causes too much droop to suit me, so I usually break out a belt holster (or my camera/gun case) when an all-steel J is going to be carried. Ditto my SP101DAO, which is noticeably larger and heavier.
As I mentioned earlier, now that I'm no longer being paid to go out and actively try to find trouble and intervene, trouble is going to have to come and try to find me, so a smaller 5-shot snub doesn't cause me undue indigestion when carried as a retirement CCW.
That doesn't mean I might not carry a secondary weapon, then, when a J-frame is in a short belt scabbard or paddle and not in my jeans/slacks pocket. Not having the J-frame in a front pocket leaves room for one of my little LCP's, or maybe a NAA .22 LR or MAG.
Sure, it's likely a remote possibility I'd ever require a having an Onion Field-type "hideout" gun ... but unless I need that pocket for something else, it's often not a problem to slip one of those really diminutive .380's or .22's, in their pocket holsters, in that pocket.
Now, for work, it would require complying with any existing policies about approved weapons & calibers, and while I'd not mind once again carrying a 6-shot revolver for plainclothes (or a 7 or 8-shot model
), the 5-shot snubs would be relegated to more secondary/backup roles, than "primary" roles.K-framer
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6 in the gun (model 64).....and one reload on a speed strip.
Whitwabit
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I find it interesting that those of us that carry autos and a spare magazine tend to carry twice the number of rounds or more then those that carry revolvers and reloads for them ..
My S&W Compact in 40 S&W is 12+1 plus a 15 round spare mag 28 rds total and my Beretta PX4 I carry is 13+1 and a 17 round spare mag 31 rds .. while many wheel gun carriers have just 10 to 12 rounds when carrying ..
So do people carrying autos fire more rounds in a self defense situation then those carrying revolvers ??
My S&W Compact in 40 S&W is 12+1 plus a 15 round spare mag 28 rds total and my Beretta PX4 I carry is 13+1 and a 17 round spare mag 31 rds .. while many wheel gun carriers have just 10 to 12 rounds when carrying ..
So do people carrying autos fire more rounds in a self defense situation then those carrying revolvers ??
It's a combination of several things.
--A J-frame + speedstrip(s) is more compact than a high-cap concealable semiauto, so people tend to pack on less extra ammo (since they're selecting it for peace of mind, comfort, and concealability).
--It's easier to carry two 10-round 9mm magazines than it is to carry four .38 Spl speedstrips or speedloaders. Magazines in most states hold way more than a J-frame (and in the rest, they just hold a few more).
--The default number of spare magazines for a lot of people is two, because they're spare magazines, not necessarily extra ammo. Oftentimes the spare magazine is there in case of a lost or damaged mag.
--People tend to lie about what they carry on a daily basis.
--A J-frame + speedstrip(s) is more compact than a high-cap concealable semiauto, so people tend to pack on less extra ammo (since they're selecting it for peace of mind, comfort, and concealability).
--It's easier to carry two 10-round 9mm magazines than it is to carry four .38 Spl speedstrips or speedloaders. Magazines in most states hold way more than a J-frame (and in the rest, they just hold a few more).
--The default number of spare magazines for a lot of people is two, because they're spare magazines, not necessarily extra ammo. Oftentimes the spare magazine is there in case of a lost or damaged mag.
--People tend to lie about what they carry on a daily basis.
The choice to carry higher capacity spare magazines (for the next larger models) is yours, and it artificially inflates the round-count you're offering as an example.
Nonetheless, the answer to "how many rounds fired?" by carriers/users of semiauto pistols versus revolvers can vary by the time and source of reported statistics. I've come across official studies/reviews that showed the number of rounds fired may be only slightly higher, or up to twice as many as previously observed.
I'd use some caution in ascribing causes of recorded events in such statistical observations, though. Some studies and reviews have seemingly tried to account for such things, and some have seemingly involved conjecture.
It's also been surmised (guessed?) that some people thought the reason they were carrying more rounds was so they could "take advantage of using them".
An example ... After we'd transitioned from revolvers to hi-cap 9's, I remember one firearms instructor performing an aimed exercise (shooting a steel plate), where he just started blazing away with his hi-cap pistol, putting rounds all over the place (mostly missing). When he was quickly called on his sloppy shooting, he tried to justify it by saying that they'd given him all those available rounds so they could be used.
This was a guy fully familiar with the necessity to aim revolver shots, too.An aimed shot is an aimed shot, regardless of how many rounds may be available in the gun for making aimed shots before loading is again necessary. (I've seen many a former revolver shooter still look to aim each and every shot fired from their new hi-cap pistols.)
In a situation where a gun is discharged, each shot fired is commonly considered to be a use of deadly force, and someone using deadly force ought not be surprised if they're called upon to justify each and every shot fired(use of deadly force) afterward.
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