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Nice, AG... 
Again, whatever your perspective... it is good to have a plan!
Again, whatever your perspective... it is good to have a plan!
How to CYB on private sales?
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Lot's to think about here. I'm not big on handing out copies of my ID to people. I see the desire to stay above board and legal, but I also don't see the rationale in giving a copy of personal information out to someone. I like the idea of a generic bill of sale type paper and just have them scrawl a signature on it. I don't think that is too invasive but I would think it is better than nothing. I guess if I ever ran into someone who didn't want to do that I would want to question if they are even legal to buy a gun. I had a guy out and out tell me he was behind on child support so he couldn't buy a gun in the store. I kind of went wide eye'ed that he would even tell me that. I had to suck in pride and tell him to pack sand in the most polite way I could. For all I know he could have been some ATF dog sniffing around for a promotion. Or he could just be some dead beat dad who is really that dumb. But either way, I dropped that and have been thinking about it ever since.
I CYB by only accepting cash. Checks are getting too risky. Other than that I follow State and Federal law by asking to see a drivers license to verify age and state of residence. I give a receipt if they ask but can't remember the last time I was asked.
Though I probably should start wiping all firearms I sell down to erase my finger prints and wear gloves while selling them. A firearm is much more likely to be traced back to me through finger prints than a serial number search.
Come to think about it maybe I'll start wearing gloves when I'm shopping for firearms. After all if I handle a firearm and decide not to buy it my fingerprints could be on it. If the person that does purchase or steal the firearms commits a crime with it my fingerprints will likely still be on it. Since I was in the Army and fingerprinted I assume my prints would come up on a database search, they always do on CSI anyway. So now the police have my fingerprints on a firearm used in a crime and if I looked at the firearm more than a few weeks ago I probably don't even remember looking at.
Dang, y'all are making me paranoid.
Though I probably should start wiping all firearms I sell down to erase my finger prints and wear gloves while selling them. A firearm is much more likely to be traced back to me through finger prints than a serial number search.
Come to think about it maybe I'll start wearing gloves when I'm shopping for firearms. After all if I handle a firearm and decide not to buy it my fingerprints could be on it. If the person that does purchase or steal the firearms commits a crime with it my fingerprints will likely still be on it. Since I was in the Army and fingerprinted I assume my prints would come up on a database search, they always do on CSI anyway. So now the police have my fingerprints on a firearm used in a crime and if I looked at the firearm more than a few weeks ago I probably don't even remember looking at.
Dang, y'all are making me paranoid.
took a buddy to the range to shoot and he fell in love with it...wanted to get into the hobby right after that.....found the gun he wanted bad at a local shop. In Minnesota, you need a permit to purchase or a ccl to buy handguns at shops. Folks have told me there are no restrictions on f2f sales. Picked up the gun for my buddy and was set to hand it over. Thought better of it and checked the rules on line. What I found on line states that if you are selling to a person who holds the above permits, you are good to go...no further action is required. But, if the person cannot show you the permit or does not have it, you are still allowed to make the deal as long as the seller feels the buyer is allowed to own a handgun. Then the seller must send a letter to the law inforcement department of the buyers residence with info on the seller(name/address/dl#)....plus the info on the handgun sold. The point of all that is then the police/sheriff can run the check on the seller just as if the seller were appling for a permit to puchase. My buddy decided it would be better and easier to just apply....get the permit...then make the hand off. Again...this is what I found on line when I searched Minn. handgun transfer rules/face to face. If someone from here knows this to be incorrect...I won't argue with ya....was just trying to protect myself....
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Sounds like a strawman purchase. And then you're talking about LE having to get involved in the process. I'd stay out of that situation.took a buddy to the range to shoot and he fell in love with it...wanted to get into the hobby right after that.....found the gun he wanted bad at a local shop. In Minnesota, you need a permit to purchase or a ccl to buy handguns at shops. Folks have told me there are no restrictions on f2f sales. Picked up the gun for my buddy and was set to hand it over. Thought better of it and checked the rules on line. What I found on line states that if you are selling to a person who holds the above permits, you are good to go...no further action is required. But, if the person cannot show you the permit or does not have it, you are still allowed to make the deal as long as the seller feels the buyer is allowed to own a handgun. Then the seller must send a letter to the law inforcement department of the buyers residence with info on the seller(name/address/dl#)....plus the info on the handgun sold. The point of all that is then the police/sheriff can run the check on the seller just as if the seller were appling for a permit to puchase. My buddy decided it would be better and easier to just apply....get the permit...then make the hand off. Again...this is what I found on line when I searched Minn. handgun transfer rules/face to face. If someone from here knows this to be incorrect...I won't argue with ya....was just trying to protect myself....
Harvester
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I cannot comment on the way MN addresses private party sales but I can tell you I agree with hatt on this one.
The transaction baldysky detailed of purchasing a firearm for someone who is not eliglible to purchase it themselves is illegal by Federal Law let alone any local or State restictions.
The only avenue of which I am aware that is legal when it comes to purchasing a firearm for someone else is as a gift... but there again they must be capable of legally filling out the forms and passing the CHR check.
The transaction baldysky detailed of purchasing a firearm for someone who is not eliglible to purchase it themselves is illegal by Federal Law let alone any local or State restictions.
The only avenue of which I am aware that is legal when it comes to purchasing a firearm for someone else is as a gift... but there again they must be capable of legally filling out the forms and passing the CHR check.
oldRoger
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We or at least I, have a special problem here in Florida in that many non-residents are here especially in season. (Right now we seem to have a lot of Texas plates, come over to see the rain I suspect.)
So when I buy from a private party I ask to see his DL to make certain that he is a resident.
Usually he will offer a BoS which I always keep for my records since it shows time and price.
It seems to me that the Law requires me to make a reasonable effort to assure myself that I am buying from a FL resident, but that is all it requires. In FL there is a sort of fuzzy area with Residency anyway, I know a guy who says he is a FL resident but NY says he lives there and must pay state taxes. When some guy wants to sell me a 99% Triple Lock Target, I am supposed to know whether he spent 6 mons + 1 day in FL not NY?
I also suspect that the chain of ownership for most of the guns of interest to me have long ago been broken. Most 30-40 year old guns have gone through a lot of FTF transfers before they hit me.
So when I buy from a private party I ask to see his DL to make certain that he is a resident.
Usually he will offer a BoS which I always keep for my records since it shows time and price.
It seems to me that the Law requires me to make a reasonable effort to assure myself that I am buying from a FL resident, but that is all it requires. In FL there is a sort of fuzzy area with Residency anyway, I know a guy who says he is a FL resident but NY says he lives there and must pay state taxes. When some guy wants to sell me a 99% Triple Lock Target, I am supposed to know whether he spent 6 mons + 1 day in FL not NY?
I also suspect that the chain of ownership for most of the guns of interest to me have long ago been broken. Most 30-40 year old guns have gone through a lot of FTF transfers before they hit me.
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep
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You can have dual residence. If a person owns a residence in Florida and also in another State he can buy a firearm in the State of Florida.
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