How Will Ammo And Prices Now Be Affected

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Unless it has a bayonet attached, then it's a pike...

I've said this before, and I suppose I can repeat it here: If I play my cards right, I have a lifetime supply of ammo on me right now...;)...Ben

If I play my cards wrong, I have a lifetime supply of ammo . :cool::eek:
 
You can "what if" forever, but the paranoiacs will do their best to keep ammo, components and guns in short supply for normal folks for a long time.

Absolutely :D The prices/supply will react to the consumer market pressure. Manufacturers don't set prices based on politics; that pressure comes from the buyers. Unfortunate that the, should I be nice and say the "overreactors", will drive the market supply and demand.;)
 
We will get through this. The ammo drought is more about COVID and the massive increase in gun purchases. I've been hearing politicians say things and not deliver for my whole life. It's just to get elected. This will calm down at some point. I'm glad I got into reloading after Newtown but I do wish I had stocked up on more components. I'm good for at least a year at my reloading rate but that will be my new priority.

I'll believe they will "Hell yes, I'm gonna take your AR-15" when they actually do it. I'm not holding my breath. Only good thing about the last 6 months is I have learned that if enough people take to the streets, the cops and the courts are powerless to do anything, and I will be among the "peaceful protesters" if that day ever comes. There are tens of millions of gun owners in this country. I'm not surrendering my property.

Until then, I'll shoot more .22 ammo. Have probably 20,000 rounds of that.
I think that you are overly optimistic about gun owners' resolve. With "tens of millions of gun owners in this country" how many actually are united with a group to preserve freedoms? Yes, they'll buy ammo like TP, until there is a scarcity, but won't contribute a dime to join shoulder-to-shoulder with other gun owners. They will come up with all kinds of "reasons" not to join.
 
I think that you are overly optimistic about gun owners' resolve. With "tens of millions of gun owners in this country" how many actually are united with a group to preserve freedoms? Yes, they'll buy ammo like TP, until there is a scarcity, but won't contribute a dime to join shoulder-to-shoulder with other gun owners. They will come up with all kinds of "reasons" not to join.

I disagree. Yeah, we've been somewhat silent until now, but we've never been faced with the "hell yes I'm gonna take your AR15". And we've never seen Tens of thousands of people get a pass from burning and looting when there's enough of them out there. The mood is different now. Nobody is taking my personal property. And I'm not alone, I'm sure. People can only be pushed so far.
 
I think that you are overly optimistic about gun owners' resolve. With "tens of millions of gun owners in this country" how many actually are united with a group to preserve freedoms? Yes, they'll buy ammo like TP, until there is a scarcity, but won't contribute a dime to join shoulder-to-shoulder with other gun owners. They will come up with all kinds of "reasons" not to join.
Yeah, there is a lot of acceptance and capitulation showing up here lately. Work-arounds abound. Kind of sad to read, but it may be the more practical course for now to take the stress off. My HBP has been through the roof all this week... not good. :( I don't need a brain aneurysm. :(

I, too, need to step back and be thankful for what I have. Other folks are in far worse shape than moi. :o

One thing I am not is overly-optimistic. We are in for a long haul here until anything returns to normal. :o
 
Ammunition and gun manufacturing companies are pretty likely to lose their legal protections from frivolous lawsuits. Their liability insurance rates will go through the roof. This will put several of them out of business.
Insurance companies will become more and more reluctant to write policies for anybody involved in manufacturing and selling any of the above for fear of being blackballed and harassed by the government.

3 to 5 years from now, today's prices will seem like bargains.
Dark days dead ahead, folks.
 
This ammo shortage is primarily due to global manufacturing and supply disruption from Covid, and we cannot expect it to normalize until Covid has been successfully subdued.
Once Vista completes onboarding it's new ownership of Remington ammo production, however, that should help the supply chain significantly.

"Historically, imported amounts of lower-priced ammunition have taken up the slack in unmet demand in the U.S. ammunition industry during cyclical periods of rising consumer demand," said Rommel Dionisio, gun industry analyst for Aegis Capital. "However, potential shipment delays resulting from recent COVID-19 related shutdowns around the world may be delaying the delivery of such imported ammunition into the U.S. at the current time."

The top U.S. ammo manufacturers are Vista Outdoor, which recently acquired Remington's bullet business, and Olin Corp. OLN +2.9%, which owns the Winchester bullet brand. The top foreign suppliers of ammo to the U.S. are from Canada with 20.2% of market share, followed by Europe (particularly Germany and the United Kingdom) with 13.5%, and then Israel with 12.1%, according to Rogers.

The disruption is causing inventories to run dry in America. Retailers told this reporter that ammunition is selling out everywhere, especially for commonly used caliber like 9 mm and .38, prompting some shops to ration one box per purchase.

American consumers and retailers are learning that they can no longer rely on importers. So why don't American ammo factories just ramp up production?

Dionisio said the large U.S. ammunition manufacturers, including Vista Outdoor, Olin and Remington, have been hesitant to expand production capacity during cyclical upturns in demand, for fear of being unable to use it when demand tapers off.

"It is not as simple as adding a few extra shifts of labor," said Dionisio, who described expansion as "capital intensive, requiring significant outlays on machinery and facility expansion" with a lengthy buildup of 12 to 18 months.

Vista Outdoor, the top U.S. manufacturer of ammunition with 30% of market share, recently took a large stake in ammo production that could have significant implications on the industry going forward. Vista paid $81.4 million for Remington's ammo brand after the venerable gun company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the second time in two years.

"We are rapidly onboarding Remington Ammunition capacity, while also continuing operations at our existing domestic facilities, so that we can continue to support the strong consumer demand in the marketplace," said Fred Ferguson, Vice President for Public Affairs for Vista Outdoor.

Dionisio described Vista's decision to boost its ammo production capacity through the Remington acquisition as "certainly timely," considering the nationwide bullet shortage.
 
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Ammunition may never, ever be coming back. The death days of the west everyone talked about may have already started last year. The good days are gone, and the worst is yet ahead. This is the means of arms control the new wave is bringing; keep your gun, but no more ammunition.

Between real shortages, "shortages", taxes on ammunition, environmental restrictions, the ease which the system can threaten the handful of owners of corporations. The shooting sports are already probably dead, and we're just realizing it.

You're right on all counts. The good times couldn't last forever. I guess i'll just sell everything now or put a curb alert in CL. Then I'll see if i can get a reservation at the nursing home.

Gee I hope the don't discontinue TV!
 
Learned my Lesson

After the .22lr Famine a short time ago, and the disgusting Profiteering by Scalpers, I learned my Lesson well. Every month I ordered a few thousand bulk 22lr when Midway was selling it for 14.99/500 with free shipping over $49. I have enough to last my Lifetime, and my Son will take the rest. I also backed myself up with enough Powder,Primers,and Bullets for the Heavier Caliber Cartridges. I anticipated this before Covid, and the new Anti Gun Administration were a Reality
 
All I can say for sure, is I have about as many guns as I'll ever want - way more than I could ever need - plus around 10k rounds of factory center fire ammo and another 50k worth of reloading components.

So the left can kiss my backside. Unless and until they are ready to start forceful confiscation, there ain't SQUAT that they can do to affect my supply.

I do not think it is prudent in these times to mention in electronic communications having large quantities of anything gun-related on hand. There are several alphabet agencies that would find such statements to be of interest to them for future use.

Something we all need to start keeping in mind.
 
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I suppose reloads will be renamed "ghost ammunition".
Whatever happens to the executive branch, the legislative branches projected makeup won't have the numbers to expand the authority of federal agencies to regulate firearms and ammo.

What about Executive Orders?
And, if they bypass the legislative process and do it thru the courts, none of the other stuff matters.
 
I never thought that I would be afraid of losing my guns, or my 2nd Amendment rights. Now, I'm very afraid; what else will we lose in the next 4 years? I always felt sorry for the countries where civilians couldn't own firearms or ammunition. Who will feel sorry for us? Whatever happened to "The land of the free, and the home of the brave"? :-(

Our kids have been indoctrinated opposite viewpoints in school while too many ( not me) parents were obsessed with sports and whatever the Kardashians are up to at any given time.
How many of you out there have ever actually checked out the curriculum at your kid's school?
 
The United States isn't the only country that produces ammunition and primers. I have given it some serious thought to become a licensed importer, travel to other countries, and buy what we need. A foreign country's prices and production should not be affected by a US election and politics. Or am I wrong?
 
You didn't read any of the previous posts before hitting "submit," right?


The United States isn't the only country that produces ammunition and primers. I have given it some serious thought to become a licensed importer, travel to other countries, and buy what we need. A foreign country's prices and production should not be affected by a US election and politics. Or am I wrong?
 
I do not think it is prudent in these times to mention in electronic communications having large quantities of anything gun-related on hand. There are several alphabet agencies that would find such statements to be of interest to them for future use.

Something we all need to start keeping in mind.

No kidding, Im paranoid now about saying anything gun related:mad: Ive got a cross bow that's it.
 
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