Well a friend of mine is " down sizing " so I bought a few S&W's from him. Got a 629 3 inch, 625 Model of 1988, 625 Jerry Miculek and a model 619! Don't like those damn locks that the JM and 619 have but got a great deal on all 4. Really don't know anything about the 619 ( had heard about them but never saw one ) so not sure I got any deal on it ( $600 ) with the box, no tools or paperwork BUT did include a 7 round speed loader! Going to hit the range tomorrow!