I can't remain quiet any longer!

[ruhip]

Got a SW9Ve this week

Picked one up a couple of days ago, have been eyeballing them for awhile. Picked it up for $250 with a 10 round mag and a 16 round mag with it. Good shape but very dirty. Have gone through it and cleaned it all up. I like the way it tore down like a Glock. Nice feel in the hand and seems well balanced. Trigger seems to be somewhat long and heavy, but I believe I will leave it that way until I get a chance to get to the range and try it out and see how it shoots. I think for the money it will be a good gun to knock around with and not worry about dinging it or roughing it up. Will let you guys know how it shoots when I get a chance to shoot it.

 

[LDL in OHIO]

I agree, brother. It's like buying a subcompact car, then b*tching and moaning that it only fits 4 comfortably, and not six. You knew this ahead of time, Einstein!

Spot on.

 

[cgspapa]

SD-40VE

I put a Packmayer sleeve on my SD 40 and after about a year installed an Apex trigger kit (it really didn't lighten the trigger but did smooth it). The SD feels great, shoots great takedown is easy and it eats anything I feed it. Based on price I don't know it's not the best bargain going.

 

[Trenchcoat Vampire]

Here's one to screw with everyone's minds: I prefer the Apex AET trigger with the stock springs. To me it feels possibly a tiny bit heavier but breaks much more crisply, stacks slightly and smoothly and with around the same travel. I shot the stock for a year and thought that was just fine, though. I just got the AET on a cheap buy whim and was surprised

 

[stevewonderful]

I can't keep quiet anymore either.
I like my SD40VE a lot. The advantage to me is adding upgrades that I like and not spending a fortune to outfit a pistol the way I like it. Just because one likes to improve their pistol doesn't mean their bitching about the gun the way it comes.

For less than the price of a block I have nice pistol with night sights, trigger spring kit, stainless steel guide rod and factory trigger and stick-on rubber grips from tractiongrips.com.

But I guess anyone who puts night sights on their gun is bitching about the gun.

Or if you duracoat it, your bitchin about the gun.

Or if you put a nice set of rims on your car, your bitchin about the car the way it came. I don't buy it. But to each his own.

Now this internet meme about messing with the trigger and liability. I'd like someone, just one, to show me a single documented case of someone experiencing legal jeopardy by improving a trigger. (and not a "I heard".)
Anyone?? Bueller... Bueller... Bueller??

This trigger thing all really comes from one source and he has quite a niche. It has been circulated around so much some people think it comes from everywhere and is absolute fact, when it is really just one man's opinion.

And as far as voiding the warranty. If you have a problem and need to send it in, its no chore to re-install the factory parts and have it back in factory form in a half hour or less.

I suppose that purist's don't use reloads either as that would void the factory warranty also.

 

[micocyco]

Tinking, I understand tinkering, I like to tinker. Nothing wrong with wanting to try and improve something after having tried it. I think the subject was folks planing a trigger job before ever firing the gun based on what they have read about the gritty 10 to 12 lb. long trigger pull.
Calling the Glock a block falls in that same line to me. I have shot a Glock did not feel at all like a block to me I was able to shoot it just fine.
For me , my SD9ve is just what I bought it for, a self-defense value enhanced fire arm. For that reason I don't want a light trigger. I don't think I will ever have to defend my family, home or self with it but the world we are in now seems to tell me I should be ready to, so for me I want the reliability I feel I have by leaving the weapon stock.

 

[hmbiohazard]

like mentioned earlier. i got my first SD40VE back in oct of last year, about the same time i joined the forums. i have been a glock guy for 10+ years. not quite a fanboy but preferred glocks. this SD40VE changed my mind about that, and i now have a SD40(not VE) a SD40VE (EDC) and a SD9VE. but back to the initial purchase of mt fist SD. i took it to the range directly from the LGS i was in, luckily the range was only about 15 feet as this is a shop/range setup. i fired 100 rounds out of the box. it went bang most of the time. had a few FTF and FTE. thats when i started reading up and google searching. its how i found here. recommending polishing seemed the solution. i broke out the dremmel and polish. since then no issues with FTF/FTE. yes it was COMPLETELY FINE OUT OF THE BOX. personally i wanted to make it "mine" so to speak. thats when i started upgrading. the trigger spring kit was #1. took the pull down some and made it appear more crisp. then i installed the guiderod. it brought the felt recoil of the 40 down a bit to a little more manageable. it sure kicked like a kangaroo but is much less now. i them got some night sights and apex trigger off a member here. got a good deal too. $50 for both. installed those. i wanted night sights because alot of time when searching for a fugitive i am working late night as thats when the scum of the earth is most active. night sights are a must for a carry gun for my purposes. i love the new trigger.in conclusion....

yes it was just fine out of the box. im not complaining about anything. i did what i wanted to to MY gun. would i recommend the upgrades. 100% yes. are the necessary? no. do they make it feel like a better gun that compares alot more to my glock than it did stock. yes. i can say for about $150 less after upgrades my SD has all the same features as my glock 23 now. and it shoots just as well. although my glock does have the 3.5 lb ghost trigger which is a monster. but thats another story for another forum.

 

[gm272gs]

I think they suck, but I'm glad that people like them.
Seriously, my opinion doesn't matter one iota. I base my opinions on what I like. I don't really care what other people like.

I can't stand black licorice.
I do however, love Brussels Sprouts.

I am a unique flower.

 

[hmbiohazard]

I think they suck, but I'm glad that people like them.
Seriously, my opinion doesn't matter one iota. I base my opinions on what I like. I don't really care what other people like.

I can't stand black licorice.
I do however, love Brussels Sprouts.

I am a unique flower.

i cant stand black licorice either. but i can drink jager like a fish lol. its my fave drink when i chose to drink, of course the guns go away when the booze comes out. i prefer to be a responsible gun owner

 

[Madoktor1]

leejack, even though I did modify mine, I do agree with what you are saying. I didn't really have a problem with the trigger pull myself but I did not care for the hinged trigger as a safety. That was my main reason for changing the trigger itself. I liked the blade safety on the Apex trigger better. JMO. But I decided the do the Apex spring kit since I was going to be in there already. I ran a couple hundred rounds through it before the mods and have run at least that many through it since and I do like the quicker reaction from the trigger better after the mods. I also like the reduced felt recoil of the SS guide rod and 20# spring. Out of all of the firearms I own, all are stock except for one rifle and it is a long shooter and was modified before I bought it from the original owner. So I do agree to each his own and do agree with people talking about modifying even before they have purchased or shot the firearm.

 

[leejack]

Don't get me wrong guys, this thread is just opinions and designed to generate good discussion.

I am happy for those who got positive improvements by modifying their SD or Sigma. Me, I like it just
the way it is, so far so good, no malfunctions of any kind.

 

[johnscates]

I bought my SW357V brand new and have never had problems with it and the trigger pull. I have not shot over 100 rounds through it in the 16 years of owning it. I carry it on a daily basis and like the heavy trigger to guard against accidental discharge which would make me fodder for anti-gun advocates.

 

[samdweezel05]

I think that those that take anything they read on the internet seriously need to find a new hobby. If you make any decision in your life, no matter how big or small, based on what you read on the internet, your an idiot. I will continue to live my life based on my own personal experiences. My personal experience tells me that my stock SW9VE that I bough new years ago will keep up with my Sig 226, Sig 229, Glock 19, 1911...... I'll take practice and tens of thousands of rounds down range every year over internet opinion.

 

[GKC]

Opinions...are opinions. (Profound thought for the day.)

 

[leejack]

I think that those that take anything they read on the internet seriously need to find a new hobby. If you make any decision in your life, no matter how big or small, based on what you read on the internet, your an idiot. I will continue to live my life based on my own personal experiences.

BINGO! We have a winner.

 

[CGhelofxr]

leejack, if you could please everyone with one item it would be a very boring world.
As a saying goes "a hater gonna hate".
With that my first semi auto pistol was a first gen SD9, two things drew me to this pistol[

1st Price, I couldn't find a pistol in my price reange I liked
2nd It just felt comfortable

If I fell for the "in crowd" input I would have brougt a Glock, silly me I have a thing about buying American

 

[GKC]

If you make any decision in your life, no matter how big or small, based on what you read on the internet, your an idiot.

Well...I wouldn't go that far. I don't think anyone is an idiot for doing research to help them make a decision. If someone just asks others to tell him what to buy and then buys what they tell him to buy, that's foolish...but, to ask for reviews and personal accounts of people who have actually owned the item you are considering, as PART of the decision making process, isn't foolish IMO.

You do have to do some filtering, because there are a lot of people on the internet spouting their expertise without any facts or personal experience...but the input of those who do have actual experience can be valuable. If 99 of 100 people have had actual problems with a product, chances are it's not a good buy. Of course, you might be that 1 in 100 person who is lucky and/or can make work what others can't. That's where your own personal judgement and willingness to take a risk comes into play.

 

[shawn mccarver]

A whole generation of shooters who have never shot revolvers fail to understand that a good reliable DA pull on a K frame was around 10 pounds, give or take, and it had a long trigger travel, compared to the pull on a Glock or M&P Auto.

The SIGMA, and the SWVE Series which followed, was meant to mimic the length and feel of the trigger on a Model 64, and it did so nicely. The reason was because the DAO K frame had been the popular LE sidearm prior to the introduction of the Glock.

The SDVE has a trigger pull that is still a longer trigger travel than a Glock or M&P, and maybe about the same as the NY-1 Glock trigger pull in weight. That means the SDVE has a longer and heavier trigger pull distance and weight than the M&P, which is much closer to the Glock in both length of trigger travel before release and weight.

Thus, I always say, please do not try to make the SWVE or the SDVE into something they are not. If you want a lighter trigger weight with a shorter length of travel, get a Glock or an M&P.

The SWVE and the SDVE are meant to be inexpensive, reliable and stock guns. Don't put extra money into questionable "improvements" to an SWVE or SDVE when it will not result in significant changes in performance.

 

[bgrone]

Trade

I think they suck, but I'm glad that people like them.
Seriously, my opinion doesn't matter one iota. I base my opinions on what I like. I don't really care what other people like.

I can't stand black licorice.
I do however, love Brussels Sprouts.

I am a unique flower.

I'll trade my Brussell sprouts for black liquorice

Jin in Iowa

 

[GKC]

I can't stand black licorice.
I do however, love Brussels Sprouts.

I don't like either one!