Pisgah
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I offer you my most sage bit of hard-earned wisdom: "Never let a moron run your life." They're here, there and everywhere; ignore them.
I let an "expert" look at my 4006
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catadjuster
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Not an expert
I am definitely not an expert on police trade in guns, having only purchased two of them. Both were Mod 64's from NYPD. When I got the side plates off, and cleaned the internals out, it was pretty clear that these guns had hardly been shot at all (if they had even been issued). None of the wear surfaces had any wear on them - just lubricant that had turned into varnish.
Both are extremely tight and they are more accurate than I am.
I am definitely not an expert on police trade in guns, having only purchased two of them. Both were Mod 64's from NYPD. When I got the side plates off, and cleaned the internals out, it was pretty clear that these guns had hardly been shot at all (if they had even been issued). None of the wear surfaces had any wear on them - just lubricant that had turned into varnish.
Both are extremely tight and they are more accurate than I am.
bigggbbruce
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Good thing you kept cool...
...or he would say you were angry with him for telling you the hard truth, and because you really got rooked.
From what you describe, I wish I'd bought it. Most police guns have holster wear, but they really don't shoot them that much. Some officers don't really care for shooting and only do enough to keep qualified and that's all.
...or he would say you were angry with him for telling you the hard truth, and because you really got rooked.
From what you describe, I wish I'd bought it. Most police guns have holster wear, but they really don't shoot them that much. Some officers don't really care for shooting and only do enough to keep qualified and that's all.
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It's your gun. Only your opinion matters. Glad you got something you like. One of my favorite comebacks: "Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those of us who do".
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PPS1980
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Your experience was worse but similar to one I had when I told a neighbor that I bought a Police trade in M&P in 40. The lecture I got about 40 being for idiots, that PD weapons were terrible because the companies pawn sub-standard weapons off on them for "inflated government prices", etc. made me laugh. Yours is worse because mine isn't a CCW instructor misleading newbies every week.
In my agency, and we shot a lot, our weapons averaged around 1000 rounds total per year on average. A few more for special operations operatiors, a few less for patrol officers. Do the math. LE guns are almost never worn out before resale, at least in my experience. Lots of carry wear but not much real use.
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I was afraid you were going to say that some know-it-all took apart your perfectly good S&W and damaged it in the process.
At least all you had to do was listen to the bilious gent.
At least all you had to do was listen to the bilious gent.
Oh he did take it apart. My buddy and I left and when we got back his dad informed me that the firing pin was broken.
I informed him that it was fine when I left. He said he pushed it forward and it didn't come out the breech face. I showed him the firing pin safety plunger and how it worked. He kind of screwed his face up and told me that that was the stupidest design he's ever seen. Really? Cuz an awful lot of semi auto pistols have that same safety.
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BigBadWolf11B
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Should have pistol whipped him with it.
Then said it needed some additional “wear and tear” on it externally to match how worn out it is internally.
Then said it needed some additional “wear and tear” on it externally to match how worn out it is internally.
flagman1776
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It wasn't issued to me but when I started in 1977, I was told I could sign out a Victory Model and 6 mixed RNL rounds or provide my own. The VM rattled when shaken but it still functioned. Lord knows when it was cleaned last. It could certainly have used a tuneup.
I declined and carried my M19 until I located a M66 some time later. Then to my M645 as soon as semiautos were authorized.
I don't know what ever happened to that Victory. Probably got traded on some plastic fantastic.
I declined and carried my M19 until I located a M66 some time later. Then to my M645 as soon as semiautos were authorized.
I don't know what ever happened to that Victory. Probably got traded on some plastic fantastic.
safearm
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Decades ago when I was a municipal police officer, we had a region police pistol league. The Department supplied ammo (.38 Special 158 gr LSWC) and actually gave us time to go to the shoots on-duty, calls permitting. Maybe one or two guys used their duty guns for the pistol league shoots, which were mostly bulls-eye/PPC style shoots, with an occasional "combat" course thrown in (we were issued Model 15s but could carry any 4 inch .38/.357 after completing probation; I carried a Ruger Stainless Security Six before I bought a Python from one of our investigators. I estimate less than 25% of the officers carried personally owned firearms. Our duty load was the W-W .38 Special 158 grain LSWCHP+P). We also had to qualify quarterly (usually during midnight shifts) on a 60 round combat course. So for the officers that shot the most, it was only 300-400 rounds a year.
When the Department converted from M15s to Sig P220s in late 80s, the issue M15s were between 10-15 years old. Even with the most ambitious shooter, that means less than 5,000 rounds went through any gun, and in some instances, less than 1,000. Depending on the care an officer gave his/her issued gun, the exterior might be pretty rough or may look brand new, but none of these guns were ever shot out.
When the Department converted from M15s to Sig P220s in late 80s, the issue M15s were between 10-15 years old. Even with the most ambitious shooter, that means less than 5,000 rounds went through any gun, and in some instances, less than 1,000. Depending on the care an officer gave his/her issued gun, the exterior might be pretty rough or may look brand new, but none of these guns were ever shot out.
The guy sounds like a complete tool. He clearly did not know what he was bloviating on about! Seems like people that supply Mr. Complete Tool enjoy taking him for every penny.
Most police trade backs have some holster wear on the outside and not much actual use. Not to mention, the 4006 is a veritable tank and will go & go & go.
Most police trade backs have some holster wear on the outside and not much actual use. Not to mention, the 4006 is a veritable tank and will go & go & go.
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cd228
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I'd recommend not hanging out there anymore.
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