I made a big mistake by selling all my Glocks and buying M&P's

[smithman 10]

I cannot conceal the 40c or 40 Pro, I'm too fat. I carry a 642 in a pocket holster.

The reason for buying the 40 Shield was to have more rounds available.

I'm too old to move to a different area, and every week I hear gunfire, police against perps, and perps on perps.

Maybe I will get another 642 and carry two of them.

Two airweight J-frames = 10 rounds of .38 Special + P. Problem solved!

 

[The Viking]

I have both Glocks and M&Ps. I have around 2,000 rounds through one 9mm M&p and 1,000 through the other 9mm. Neither has ever given me any problems. I did have a 40 caliber that went back to Smith four times. I am still shooting it to try determine if it is still reliable.
The Glocks I have had no problem with. However, I do note there have been a number of problems with the Gen 4s and late Gen 3s from the post on the Glock forum.
Sorry you had such a problem. With any new pistol it is best to go slow and try it out first. I tend to dive in and get in trouble. So I know how you feel.

 

[jaaeatax]

If Glock had a safety, I would consider one. I have heard of alot of accidental discharges with Glocks even with trained shooters.
I haven't used one because of that. If they added a trigger safety, I'd buy it.

I like the fact that S&W is American made. That means alot to me.
I have their wheel guns and love them.

 

[texas48]

After owning several glocks I purchased a 40 shield in May. I first had a some issues due to the difference on grip angle after 2 trips to the range I ironed those out. Now that little gun is a tack driver and has been absolutely reliable after 700 rounds of all kinds of 40 ammo thru it. Would never buy a G27 again. 2 extra rounds is not a hood enough reason. I wish Smith would make 10mm m&p. Until they do I would not give up my g29sf or my 20sf. I do think that the price and availability of m&P mags and expense of after market parts and ease of Maint are a drawback of M&P's. Will never get rid of my 40 shield. Great pocket back up to my 10 mm glocks.

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[jaaeatax]

Ordered one few days ago.....642. On backorder. Can't wait.

 

[DocSunShine]

I do think that the price and availability of m&P mags and expense of after market parts and ease of Maint are a drawback of M&P's.

I'm puzzled by this, mags are available at prices a few bucks more per mag than Glock, aftermarket parts are also available, the M&P is pretty much a draw with Glock in that department and way more aftermarket stuff available than most other platforms. And "ease of maintenance", well, the M&P isn't exactly a complex gun, maybe not quite as easy to detail strip as a Glock, but not much harder.

 

[jdh]

If Glock had a safety, I would consider one. I have heard of alot of negligent discharges with Glocks even with trained shooters.
I haven't used one because of that. If they added a trigger safety, I'd buy it.

Having been a law enforcement firearms instructor and read the reports of several of those incidents a safety would have made little or no difference in many of them. In a few one may have made a difference. However if the operator of the pistol still has their finger on the trigger as they re-holster what do you believe the chances to be that they would have taken the effort to engage the safety first?

 

[Nodrama43]

have carried a glock for 22 years (not by choice). They work.
I also carry a 442 as a BUG. It works too.

have carried a Colt 45 off duty for 22 years. (by choice) If I could carry it on duty I would.

To each their own right.

 

[Capt Crunch]

I cannot conceal the 40c or 40 Pro, I'm too fat. I carry a 642 in a pocket holster.

I'm a pretty big guy myself and I have the 40c and have no issues concealing it (rides in a Nemesis flypaper holster). In fact I often have to do that check where you wonder if your piece is still there. Had it for over a year with no issues at all, it's my go to gun...if it had a fitting for a brush I'd brush my teeth with it.

 

[kodiakpb]

If Glock had a safety, I would consider one. I have heard of alot of accidental discharges with Glocks even with trained shooters.
I haven't used one because of that. If they added a trigger safety, I'd buy it.

Glock does have a trigger safety. I assume you meant "manual" safety.

Having been a law enforcement firearms instructor and read the reports of several of those incidents a safety would have made little or no difference in many of them. In a few one may have made a difference. However if the operator of the pistol still has their finger on the trigger as they re-holster what do you believe the chances to be that they would have taken the effort to engage the safety first?

Concur...or if the operator uses a substandard holster that does not properly protect the trigger, or deforms to the point it becomes dangerous... allowing clothing/any external source, or the holster itself to engage the trigger (read cheap leather holsters).

 

[99savage308]

Glocks and Smiths

I feel for the guy who ditched his Glocks for Smiths. I will not add pain to you Sir.I have shot 'bout 200 rounds thru a Glock in 40 s/w cal. Did not like it. Have looked at the Smith M/P 45. I don't like neither one. What was it John Dillinger said 'bout automatics?

 

[chief1]

If Glock had a safety, I would consider one. I have heard of alot of accidental discharges with Glocks even with trained shooters.
I haven't used one because of that. If they added a trigger safety, I'd buy it.

I like the fact that S&W is American made. That means alot to me.
I have their wheel guns and love them.

Actually Glocks have 3 safeties. 2 Internal and the trigger being the third.

It's typical of very inexperienced shooters wanting a pistol with a manual safety.

In reality its a real false sense of security. If one has the proper gear, is properly trained and trains with said gear on a regular basis, the weapon will not go off. With today's technology the only way a proper functioning pistol will go off is if the user sticks his finger in the trigger and pulls it.

Again, it's all about training and proficiency.

 

[remat457]

Was this thread just to vent?

A new product has some teething issues. Yes, it does suck. Nobody likes getting a defective product. This goes for the Shield40 and some of the Gen4s.

BTW, Glock has been making complete pistols in the US for some time now, however they have only recently been sold in the US commercial market.

I know people generally don't believe this, but wait you will see them. My source? February Glock Armorer's Course.

 

[kris7047th]

Really? Are you sure about that? Have you been paying attention to all the issues that Glock has been having over the last YEAR??


C4

No kidding! The Gen 4's have been plagued with issues and they are still unreliable. Why I will never sell my Gen 3 - 9 19

 

[VaRecon]

It is reasons like this that they have lifetime guarantees.
I don't necessarily agree with some of the bashing saying there is not a place for you here as a glock guy, since after the repairs I would say it seems you are satisfied with the product.
I would just recommend a little less haste on the next purchase, especially if you are getting rid of something you like to do it.

 

[Wayne]

If you had read all the posts of this thread, you would know what the problem with my 40 Shield is. I also explained I'm very pleased with my 40c and 40Pro, after the Pro went back to S&W. The whole point of my first post was, out of 3 new M&P's, two had problems and needed to go back to S&W. I've never had a problem with a new Glock, used ones yes, never new. And yes I did sell off the Glocks too fast, my bad.

You could go around in circles all day. I had heard and read about GEN II problems, you did not have any ? I have had 4 or 5 M&P's without ever sending on back, including the Bodyguard .380. I also have 2 Shields right now a 9 and a 40. A few hundred round thru each , no problem. Read enough and everybody has problems in every brand on occasion, leaving nothing else to buy !!!

 

[DocSunShine]

This thread is lowering my IQ, shoot Glocks if you like Glock, shoot M&Ps if you like them, shoot XDms if you like them, shoot 1911s if you like them, shoot revolvers if you like them. Anyone can get a problem gun, it happens, thankfully smith has a lifetime warranty and if that's not good enough, move to another platform. Thank God we live in a free country where we're free to complain about various brands of guns and have the ability to sell the gun you don't like and get a new gun.

 

[gjamison]

had my m&p 45 for sometime now and never had a problem. one of the best semi autos i've ever fired.

 

[keeter1911]

This thread is lowering my IQ, shoot Glocks if you like Glock, shoot M&Ps if you like them, shoot XDms if you like them, shoot 1911s if you like them, shoot revolvers if you like them. Anyone can get a problem gun, it happens, thankfully smith has a lifetime warranty and if that's not good enough, move to another platform. Thank God we live in a free country where we're free to complain about various brands of guns and have the ability to sell the gun you don't like and get a new gun.

And thank God we live in a country where we can buy guns. That being said, I own 5 M&Ps ranging in caliber a from .22 through .45. I own an XDm Competition model in .45. I also have a Colt Commander and a Springfield Range Officer in .45. Throw in my Walther .380 PPK and my Belgian made Browning Hi Power along with a few revolvers in different Calibers and I pretty much have the handgun gamut covered. I love them all! I shoot the Browning better than the rest, so, that is still my favorite after shooting pistols for over 35 years. The only handgun that I have ever had any trouble with was a S&W Sigma which was real particular about that type of ammo I ran through it. Needless to say, I sold that pistol and was glad that I did.

My advice for a defensive handgun choice for an individual is to find one that is reliable and that he/she can shoot accurately in the largest caliber the he/she can comfortably handle the recoil and which has a natural point of aim for the individual....then train, train, train with the weapon and/or weapons to the nth degree.

All that being said, I keep a .45 on my nightstand and have a Mossberg 590 12 gauge under my bed. Depending upon the time of the year and what I am wearing, I carry either the Colt Commander, Browning Hi Power or Walther PPK. I usually carry either my M&P 40 or 45 or my XDm 45 in my vehicles. I have paid for and have been on the waiting list for a 9MM Shield since last May that I hope to add to my concealed carry stable of weapons.

I don't own a Glock as I don't like the feel of them. The grip is too blocky for my liking. I have friends who swear by them and have shot a few myself. They are fine weapons, just not what I prefer to shoot.

 

[BamaBrad]

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The number one reason I prefer the M&P is that I do not have to fire it to disassemble it [/QUOTE]

I'm guessing you never ever have dry fired a weapon and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you think I'm saying this because I own a GLOCK(s), in which I do. I love them just as much as my Ruger, S&W, and Springfield. I don't see any problem with a responsible gun owner having to pull the trigger to disassembly. But to each his own and like I stated I love them all.


Brad