I need help...lol...

[just plain bill]

Recently got the sd9, like everyone else...no, I really did, lol....problem.is, the trigger is killing me. The long pull has me in the not very accurate catagory...so I hit academy in round rock cuz oneof the guys is incredibly knowledgeable...he showed me something called a da/sa...heck....with the hammer back the trigger is like butter....so I hit my range in lockhart and swing a box of 45s thru a springfield...kept going back and forth with the sd9...gosh dang heck...now I need a springfield! The accuracy was stunning! I put 4 in a row dead center in the bullseye! The round goes exactly where I aim it! I was shocked! And not in an unpleasant way like that high school experiment on electricity...
Now, of course, im keeping the sd9...16 + 1 is a nice number...but I must have a gun with the da/sa thing on it...lol....I know, im gonna spend a bunch of money, but I gotta have it....
What would YOU do? Dont wanna spend a thou if I can avoid it.
Btw, I enjoy this forum and spend a lot of time looking andlearning. Teach the teacher.

 

[leejack]

Bill, first a DAO and an DA/SA are two different animals. You can master the SD trigger pull or move on to something else. Guns with a light SA pull are great ego boosters at the range.

Having both is OK, just make sure you are 100% proficient and confident on whatever you have, especially if it's going to be a home defense or carry gun.

You can find DA/SA guns that are reasonably priced so do your homework first, shoot as many as possible.

If you decide to keep the SD, practice like crazy, you may surprise yourself, these guns are accurate.

 

[leejack]

Also, which Springer did you shoot?

 

[Steelhat]

Bill, first a DAO and an DA/SA are two different animals. You can master the SD trigger pull or move on to something else. Guns with a light SA pull are great ego boosters at the range.

Having both is OK, just make sure you are 100% proficient and confident on whatever you have, especially if it's going to be a home defense or carry gun.

You can find DA/SA guns that are reasonably priced so do your homework first, shoot as many as possible.

If you decide to keep the SD, practice like crazy, you may surprise yourself, these guns are accurate.

+1 on that. My first gun was a SD9VE and it took me a while till I got a decent accuracy out of it. In march I found a CPO Sig P229SAS in .40 for about $600. That gun appeared to be never fired. It's a DA/SA like the Springfield you were talking about. But like Lee said it's a total different ballgame. When I hit the range I take both out and alternate. Practicing with the SD9VE trigger helps me also with the Sig. So it's a win win.

If you're looking for a DA/SA see if you can find a CPO (Certified Pre Owned) Sig. Those are refurbished by Sig Sauer and come with one year warranty and cost less than a new one. But whatever you get, go to a local range and rent different guns so you can see which fits and shoots best.

 

[just plain bill]

Also, which Springer did you shoot?

Not sure. It was shiny and $1000. Lol
It freaked me out how accurate it was. The longer pull of the sd9 gives me too much time to wince at the upcoming explosion, and I wind up low and left, altho I did improve since last time. The sd trigger just aint much fun. The other gun was sheer pleasure...and shiny...

 

[just plain bill]

+1 on that. My first gun was a SD9VE and it took me a while till I got a decent accuracy out of it. In march I found a CPO Sig P229SAS in .40 for about $600. That gun appeared to be never fired. It's a DA/SA like the Springfield you were talking about. But like Lee said it's a total different ballgame. When I hit the range I take both out and alternate. Practicing with the SD9VE trigger helps me also with the Sig. So it's a win win.

If you're looking for a DA/SA see if you can find a CPO (Certified Pre Owned) Sig. Those are refurbished by Sig Sauer and come with one year warranty and cost less than a new one. But whatever you get, go to a local range and rent different guns so you can see which fits and shoots best.

I'll check into the sig. Thanks for the advice!
Indeed, renting helps the learning curve...I need a thou....

 

[biglatino74]

At ten yards sd40 stock I used the penny way and dry fire a lot really help. You have to see my first shot all over even missing at 7yrds.
Btw that is a 2 inches center.

 

[just plain bill]

I did enjoy a/b ing the two. But the springfield was embarrassingly accurate. If I was in a situation where accuracy is critical, and when isnt it, I would be confident in the springfield. Could I hit the target with the sd9? Of course. But I might have to empty a full mag to put the offender down. The springfield would allow me to narrow the focus of my shots, which might be safer for others nearby.
I think the recoil was less with the 45 as well.

 

[biglatino74]

Have you break in yours?
How many round?
At the end guns are like women.

 

[just plain bill]

500 rounds...That's also how many rounds I've fought with my wife...ill let you know if I ever win one...uh huh...
Think it was the springfield xdm...

 

[MyDads38]

Just a thought, but if you like the DA/SA type handgun; have you considered a 1911 SA only format? Talk about sweet! SA all the time with no DA first shot-just saying...

 

[just plain bill]

Hmm...I think that's what I had, then. I would slide the doohickee back to load a round, and the hammer would be cocked. Frigging awesome! Does that sound like sa?

 

[leejack]

I was thinking you shot a 1911 from the get-go, that's why I asked the question.

A 1911 and SD are way different animals and not a fair comparison at all.

For the record, the 1911 isn't DA/SA, it's SA all the time.

I would slide the doohickee back

Might want to learn the proper terms, it will help you allot throughout your journey.

 

[GKC]

Hmm...I think that's what I had, then. I would slide the doohickee back to load a round, and the hammer would be cocked. Frigging awesome! Does that sound like sa?

Actually, it sounds like gibberish...

 

[GKC]

Now, on a serious note...I suspect what you fired (if it was a Springfield) was a 1911-style pistol. I do like the platform, and most do have amazing triggers. Most are all steel, and as such are heavier than a polymer pistol, and with the lower bore axis and slim grip, recoil is perceived to be less.

I do like 1911s, but they are not a beginner's pistol. They generally take more maintenance than a polymer pistol, and can be finicky. Since they are heavier and bigger, they may not be as comfortable to carry concealed, but many people do. On the other hand, they are a joy to shoot, accessories for them abound, and they are the ultimate tinkerer's gun.

You don't have to spend $1K to get a decent, reliable 1911...Armscor (Rock Island Armory, Citadel) makes some very good pistols, and they run around $500 more or less, depending on the model.

 

[playa0069u]

my boy has a ruger sr45. they make a 9 and a compact version as well. shoots da/sa and its 499 brand new. big and shiny

 

[GKC]

my boy has a ruger sr45. they make a 9 and a compact version as well. shoots da/sa and its 499 brand new. big and shiny

Well...unless something has changed with the SR45, it isn't a DA/SA pistol. The SR45 is a striker-fired pistol, like the SR9 and SR40 series. When the action is cycled, the striker is partially charged. When the trigger is depressed, this completes the charging of the striker and then releases it. Once the striker is released, the trigger does not reset unless the action is again cycled.

A DA/SA semiautomatic pistol is typically hammer-fired, and can be fired just like a revolver: either by pulling the trigger to cock and release the hammer (DA) or by manually cocking the hammer and then pulling the trigger to release it (SA.) Two examples of DA/SA guns are a SIG P229 and a Beretta M9. Ruger also made DA/SA guns, like the P-series...but I think they are all discontinued now.

 

[just plain bill]

When I get tired I cant think or remember...I think the stroke a yr ago deleted some files...heart surgery a few weeks later was fun, though! When school started back up I couldnt remember the terms the fancy teachers like to use to show how smart they are. However, I did remember how to teach and motivate kids. My test numbers left em all in the dust!. Just like every year!
I gotta visit the range and find out what kind of gun that was...I did ask for a da/sa, and they only had 2 or 3...whatever style it is, you slide the doohickee back...lol...hey, I'm learning!

 

[SamMeow]

you slide the doohickee back...

Learn'en is half the fun.
You "rack the slide" and the thingie that holds the ammo (not bullets, those are the just the projectiles not including the case) is a mag or magazine not a clip.

There ya go. Basic intro

Hope you find your dream pistol.

 

[just plain bill]

Thanks. I think I can remember that. I think my wife tried that on me one night....she wanted me to rack the slide, but I was reading a magazine! Is that the same thing?

But seriously, thank you. Probably hit the range monday. Too crowded weekends....

 

[playa0069u]

Well...unless something has changed with the SR45, it isn't a DA/SA pistol. The SR45 is a striker-fired pistol, like the SR9 and SR40 series. When the action is cycled, the striker is partially charged. When the trigger is depressed, this completes the charging of the striker and then releases it. Once the striker is released, the trigger does not reset unless the action is again cycled.

A DA/SA semiautomatic pistol is typically hammer-fired, and can be fired just like a revolver: either by pulling the trigger to cock and release the hammer (DA) or by manually cocking the hammer and then pulling the trigger to release it (SA.) Two examples of DA/SA guns are a SIG P229 and a Beretta M9. Ruger also made DA/SA guns, like the P-series...but I think they are all discontinued now.

My bad I must be remembering wrong

 

[angel71rs]

but I must have a gun with the da/sa thing on it...lol....I know, im gonna spend a bunch of money

Not necessarily. You can nice pistols, either SA or DA/SA for reasonable money. I own and can recommend RIA Tactical if you'd prefer a 1911 style SA pistol, CZ999 if you'd like a DA/SA double stack pistol.

The RIA TAC is usually in the low $400 range. Academy has had the Citadel version (same manufacturer, Armscor) on sale for $330:

Academy - Citadel 1911 9mm Semiautomatic Pistol

I've read Citadel is a little bit better than RIA. My CZ999 has just been a great pistol, getting better as I shoot it more. Review I did on it:

CZ999 review - The Firing Line Forums

I got mine off Classic, and since then they have dropped price to $320 shipped:

CZ 999 9mm Caliber Compact Pistol by Zastava Arms... New

The "compact" is the one I have, they do also offer a "full size" that has a slightly longer barrel. Both come with 15 rd mags if 9mm.

The RIA, and Citadel I linked, come with ambidextrous extended thumb safety, CZ999 has an ambi decocker. I keep the RIA cocked and locked, the CZ999 with one in the pipe, decocked.

 

[just plain bill]

I gotta check those out. Really looking for a .45. Thanks! Checking now...

 

[playa0069u]

I gotta check those out. Really looking for a .45. Thanks! Checking now...

The rock Island Armory is available in .45 as well

 

[playa0069u]

Academy - Citadel M-1911 .45 ACP Semiautomatic Pistol

Its just not on sale. look on armslist its a very popular entry level 1911

 

[just plain bill]

Still looking. Saw a sig I liked.

 

[MOONDAWG]

I equate my SD9VE's trigger pull to any D/A S&W revolver, in that it forces one to concentrate on proper sight alignment/sight picture as the trigger is pulled thereby "increasing" the accuracy of the shot.

Just continue practicing. Your trigger finger will get stronger and you shooting more accurate.

 

[just plain bill]

Will do. When I get back from bend im gonna shoot until I improve, but I think, after shooting a 1911 sa I will trade/sell it cuz I really like a .45 and that single action. Since I dont THINK ill be ccing except in truck/boat, a 1911 will be the way to go for me. I really like the heft and recoil handling characteristics. And in an emergency situation I want something loud and accurate that hits hard and I can shoot well...frigging arthritis has caused me to not be able to grip a golf club to play like I would prefer, so I gotta spend this hard earned on guns, which the study of occupies my time when not fishing or watching rangers baseball. And man, I learn a ton on this forum!

 

[Harkrader]

SW40F trigger pull vs SD guns

I had two SW40F autos purchased for lunch money just after the Clintonistas' hi-cap ban expired.
They worked well - no malfs - and were accurate. Accuracy was initially a problem due to the really crappy looong and rough trigger pull. BTW, these are the ones where the slide will interchange with Glocks, though neither will function that way. Concentration and accepting what the trigger did to my finger yielded acceptable accuracy. However, I don't like to work that hard, or bleed, to get results.
They got stuffed away in a dark corner of the safe and I forgot about them, or I'm sure I'd have dumped them on someone.
THEN I read about Apex trigger kits, and installed one on each gun. That was NOT easy.
They make the trigger pull softer and smoother, so they are worthy guns, now. I've since had or been issued guns I liked better and was more proficient with, so the Sigmas remained safe queens until discovered by our adult children as they rummaged through the safe one day. I think of them as interesting, but don't miss them.

From my experience and what I have read of others with the Apex mods, I'd suggest trying them to improve the trigger operation.

 

[just plain bill]

Beretta 92 fs 9mm can be had for close to $500 online. I think that will be the direction I take. Shot a 9mm 1911 and it was just scary accurate. Felt like a .22 compared to the .45...plus ammo is half the cost...
So first itll be a 9mm with single or da/sa. In a coupla months ill get the same in .45...and that'll be it! Wont need to buy another firearm!

Uh huh...