I need help with AR-15 decision

Nothing to dance around. Colt does use different pin sizes in thier commercial version. The mil-spec version and ALL others use the same mil-spec pins.

It is a fact that Colt no longer makes thier own uppers and lowers. They contract that out. There are two manufacturers of upper and lowers. Everyone buys from them. It is the Milling work is where the difference is at.
Is that what you are talking about? Facts are facts.

Now if some of you Colt fans are satisfied--the OP wanted to know what we thought and we all told him our opinions. It was not part of the OP to attack another person because I do not drink the Colt koolaid.

I would buy a M&P. Good workmanship. Good warrenty. DPMS is the best gun for the money.

John
 
Brucev: I have a ColT AR 15A2 HBAR and one oftheir M4 carbines. I was considering selling the HBAR, but your post makes me think twice about it.
 
I recently picked up a Colt match hbar like new with box. Reading all this really makes me want to go break it in, as I haven't gotten around to it yet. From everything I've heard, I don't think there will be any regrets.
 
usaadjuster said:
I know this is S&W Forum but is the M&P 15 a good bang for the buck? I want to buy an - AR - I have done some internet research and just don't trust the WWW. I have not been a member of this Forum for long but you guys/girls have helped me with several questions. -- So, what would you suggest? I don't want to spend a lot - maybe not more that $1,000 - 1,200.
thanks,
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Obviously opinions vary.:rolleyes: Most of the AR15's made are of good quality. Of course some AR15 snobs will disagree. For $1000 you can get a very well made AR. So don't agonize over your decision. Decide on what you need and don't need and go for it. Get the most for your money.

If your just going to plink, you DON'T need a quad rail, Eotech, lights and lasers, and a bunch more junk. If you want a fore grip, you can put a picatinny rail on a standard hand guard for very little money.

Don't get caught up the AR snobbery game. And this is why I recommend Rock River. Every you need to start plinking immediately and nothing there to pay extra for.


Don't underestimate the two stage trigger which comes standard on Rock River Ar's.
 
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jspick said:
I would not buy a Colt... Thier pin size is a big inconvience.
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Looking at Fulton's lower parts list, they list pretty much everything with separate part numbers for small pin and large pin.

How is ordering the correct size part a "big inconvience" (SP)?

If I go into Home Depot and ask for a box of bolts, or if I go into McDonalds' and ask for french fries, they invariably ask what size I want. Should I walk out in a huff because it is an inconvenience to answer?
 
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Straightshooter2 said:
I bought the Colt LE6720 about a month ago and love it. It was the same price as the M&P15 model my LGS had. To paraphrase what someone said in another thread, if it's not a Colt, it's a clone. So if it's a choice between a Colt and anything else, get the Colt.

CW
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+1
I have the 6720R. A very fine rifle and the balance and light weight is 2nd to none. I had my doubts about the lighter pencil barrel, but the tests I have put this rifle through for my own satisfaction, have proven this a very fine rifle for me. I have eye balled Colt's M4A1 and today would be the only rifle that I would trade/sell for. I really enjoy my 6720R.
 
You Colt fans are intitled to your opinions and I am intitled to mine.

ALL ar15 lowers use the same pin size EXCEPT the commercial Colt. Really? Colt tries to minipulate the market and you guys stand up for them? Really????? LOL LOL

Now a few of you have mentioned a couple of model numbers that you say are now mil spec. Looks like Colt got tired of thier own game! Good for them.

In the gun culture in the U.S if anyone says anything bad about Colt or Winchester----heaven help them--- they have stabbed the scared cow! LOL You guys are really too much. There is life outside of Colt and Winchester. Really there is! LOL

John
 
Gentlemen..

In this particular thread.. Live links to OTHER forums are prohibited..as per the rules..

HOWEVER if your link to a MANUFACTURER has been deleted please feel free to replace it with same..

Thanks
 
jspick said:
LOL You guys are really too much. There is life outside of Colt and Winchester. Really there is! LOL

John
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I know I said I'd stay away but your rants amuse me so I keep reading them. Anyhoo, I think us "Colt Fans" know there is life outside of Colt. We are, after all, on a Smith and Wesson forum. :D

I haven't shot a RRA so I won't bad mouth them much but two of my friends have used the 2 stage Ntl match trigger and it busted in under 1k rounds on both of them. This is not hear say. They asked me to check it out because they know I fiddle fark with 10/22 triggers and those FCGs they showed me were *****. A bit of Googling will support this with other accounts.

It's not in my budget for the year but Giselle triggers are what they both replaced their RRA triggers with and they've had no issues. Last time we went out together one fellow has 4k rounds on that FCG and the other guy just over 1.5k.


Tapatalk ate my spelling and grammar.
 
usaadjuster said:
I know this is S&W Forum but is the M&P 15 a good bang for the buck? I want to buy an - AR - I have done some internet research and just don't trust the WWW. I have not been a member of this Forum for long but you guys/girls have helped me with several questions. -- So, what would you suggest? I don't want to spend a lot - maybe not more that $1,000 - 1,200.
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My friend listen to me. If you buy the S&W Sport, you will have enough money left over to accessorize your rifle the way you like it and have enough to buy ammo. Don't buy a high priced rifle thinking it will be 100 better than the sport and have to spend even more for the extras. The Sport is a good quality rifle that is accurate and reliable. I own a high end Colt AR which I have about $3500 invested and I still consider the Sport my favorite for what I have in it. This is just my opinion. Do your research and buy what makes you happy.:D
 
If you want an accurate rifle to 300 yards, get the S&W 1:8 5R barrel if you want to buy a name buy a colt. I have noticed that other than a couple of posts there have been no posts by regular members of this forum. We know our rifles are built as good if not better than the other brands. We also know that a person can buy a S&W and have enough money left for 1k rounds of ammo. We have been down this road so many times and arent going to waste our typing time trying to give people that already have their minds made up on what they are going to purchase. S&W has the lifetime warranty, has been around longer than any of the companies other than Colt posted here and are made in house. they are not restricted to a 50 year old set of specifications and metallurgy ideas that have long been passed by.
 
+1 on the Sport. Unless you're a LEO or active duty military(or guard/reserve) you are highly unlikely going to see any combat or heavy action anytime soon. And if you were the government would be issuing a weapon based on your ability.
That said, the Sport is the best bang for the buck at around $700. Go to Freedommunition.com and get 1000 rnds of .223 for $305(then take 5%-off thru 7SEP12).
So for around $1K, you're at the range, pulling trigger and punching paper/pinging steel(or eliminating varmints).
 
My M&P 15 Sport has been great to me. The fit and finish are excellent and the rifle has shot everything I've loaded in the chamber. Lifetime warranty and money left over for ammo/accessories is a big plus. I have no doubt that it will serve me well for years to come.
 
If you notice some of the people that are posting have high post counts, that is because they post over in the pistol sections. If you want an honest opinion ask the people who have the guns, not the people who dont. If you want I can send you up the road and you can buy a police trade in Colt with the H-Bar and quadrail, changed out pistol grip and the whole thing in really nice condition for $600, if you want a Bushmaster it will cost you $675 out of the first 39 posts only 3 of those people are regular contributors to this forum and when one's first post says "my lower cost more than a sport" I dont give him any credit either. Its not about substance. I will pit my Sport against any of your Stags or Colts or Wyndhams anyday and when your groups are as tight as mine or you are shooting Prairie Dogs at over 250yards regularly and making one shot kills come talk to me. But you wont because your rifles wont. I shoot with a lot of people and I am the one with the S&W that they are trying to keep up with. M4gery.net and Aint15.com are the places the colt fanboys should be hanging out. Not here we dont drink the colt koolaid. Some of our members have Colts and I do not disparage them for that but they also dont come to our forum and talk about how a Colt is the end all of AR's. Or brag about how much money they spent on their rifle. We dont care, we talk about what else we were able to afford because we didnt overpay for ours.
 
I take it that this thread was moved here from another forum...no was in heck that it could have originated here with that many posts being made before a Sport owner chimed in. :D

Oh, and count me in as another happy M&P 15 Sport shooter.
 
usaadjuster said:
I know this is S&W Forum but is the M&P 15 a good bang for the buck? I want to buy an - AR - I have done some internet research and just don't trust the WWW. I have not been a member of this Forum for long but you guys/girls have helped me with several questions. -- So, what would you suggest? I don't want to spend a lot - maybe not more that $1,000 - 1,200.
thanks,
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Every indication is that the M&P is a very good rifle.
 
TangoFoxtrot said:
My friend listen to me. If you buy the S&W Sport, you will have enough money left over to accessorize your rifle the way you like it and have enough to buy ammo. Don't buy a high priced rifle thinking it will be 100 better than the sport and have to spend even more for the extras. The Sport is a good quality rifle that is accurate and reliable. I own a high end Colt AR which I have about $3500 invested and I still consider the Sport my favorite for what I have in it. This is just my opinion. Do your research and buy what makes you happy.:D
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Man, until this ^^^ post all these COLTaholics were making me think my Sports were only useless paperweights. Thx !
I bought a Sport back in May I believe it was and have fired it at the range a few times. Accurate enough for ANY use imo.
I liked it so much, I bought another as backup. I can't see where any other AR would give me a significant advantage over a S&W M&P 15 Sport for any use I would have here in the US be it home defense, shtf or whatever Maybe if I were being deployed to Afghanistan I MIGHT choose a different AR?

The 15 Sport is so affordable, I chose to have a 2nd one as a backup to my first one. Anyone see any mistake in my planning?

 
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Buy a "Sport" instead of a Colt..Use the left over money and buy a great scope and p223 mounts..should still be under $1100..the sport I have with 1.5X4.5 scope and p223 mounts still under $850.. Can hit steel plates at 200 meters all day No problems.. I scoped it with a bushnell banner ($68) to see if I liked it ..Going with a p223 scope next
 

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BHarada said:
I take it that this thread was moved here from another forum...no was in heck that it could have originated here with that many posts being made before a Sport owner chimed in. :D

Oh, and count me in as another happy M&P 15 Sport shooter.
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I agree Bill. Honestly, I didn't see it until recently and thought it was and old thread resurrected when I did.

If the OP is still around, get what you want and can afford. I did and don't regret it one bit.

M&P-15 Sport-----------------------------$600
1k rounds of ammo----------------------$300
Outshooting the high-dollar AR's------PRICELESS

Oh, and count me in as another happy M&P 15 Sport shooter.
 
The thread was moved from the Lounge. Yes, I bought the Colt over the M&P 15 that my LGS had for the same price. When I posted originally a month or so ago about buying the Colt over the M&P (in the Lounge), I stated that after handling both, I thought the Colt had better balance in my hands as the M&P felt a little nose heavy. I also think the M&P 15 is an excellent choice if that's what you want and the Sport with no dust cover or forward assist is a great idea both marketing and pricewise. And I don't consider myself a Coltaholic or whatever the term someone used. Yes, I have a Colt AR-15 but I also have a Bushmaster. I have a Combat Commander but I also have a Model 19-4. My wife and I both have M&P 15-22s and I'll take them over the 10-22 any day. So am I a Colt snob? No. Am I a S&W snob? No. I buy what I like and if, after buying it I don't like it, I will say so. For instance, I think the Remington 770 is a piece of junk. I'm sorry I ever bought it. The OP asked for advice on an AR-15 and I said buy the Colt. As with everything, YMMV.

CW
 
bharner said:
I don't own a Colt other than a Python. I just don't like seeing misinformation spread.
I will agree that a lot of their handguns are over priced these days. But not their ARs. The fact remains that up until Remington recently got a contract with the DD that only Colt ARs are military approved. Some folks don't care and buy anything, some folks care but find cheaper ways of getting the same components (BCM, some PSA and Spike's stuff) and some folks just get the one that held the exclusive military contract for a long time. I'll be interested in seeing the price on Remington ARs when they put out commercial rifles that meet TDP. But I'm also not a big fan of Cerberus. Which makes me sad because I am a Marlin fan boy but I refuse to buy anything they've made since the buyout.

And as I have no dog in this fight and you're set on trolling I'm out of this discussion.

Tapatalk ate my spelling and grammar.
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When i first joined the army I was issued a F&N M4. It wasn't to bad, but it wasn't a good either. I had a Missfire or two in the short time I had it. I don't know where your getting that only Colt had a Military Contract, because the F&N wasn't the only one. By the way I don't have a dog in this fight either because my last M4 Army issue was a Colt, and it NEVER failed me. Dry bolt, over oiled, desert. Nothing stopped it. I'm trying to decided between Colt and Smith for my AR to. I'd prefer a Colt just based on my Military experience, but I'm have trouble finding one locally.
 
Not a fan of the Sports. In my opinion a M4 or AR should always have a dust cover, and should have a forward assist.
 
CrossRifles2008 said:
Not a fan of the Sports. In my opinion a M4 or AR should always have a dust cover, and should have a forward assist.
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You have the right to have your opinion, whatever it is based upon you have the right. FN made machine guns for the Army but according to their history they didn't make M4's, they tried to sue to get the opportunity to but didn't even win the lawsuit. Which is why Colt had the monopoly for a long time. Can you post a link to anything that says FNH US made M4's, I can post links that FNH US made M16's for Colt but not M4's, and they didnt make them for the army they made them for Colt who sold them to the army.
 
I have to admit that it was only after learning that Colt was selling CA-compliant models that I got interested in buying an AR. But my LGS said they don't carry Colt due to potential hassle the dancing pony rollmark can get you with uninformed LEOs. Even a wrongly confiscated gun can cost upwards of $1000 in legal fees to retrieve here in the golden state.

I took a chance on the Sport, which was $500 less than the Noveske N4 they had on the rack, and have not been disappointed in its reliability or accuracy. But truth be told I would have walked out of my LGS with the paperwork on a Colt had they carried them. haha

Funny how things sometimes work out.
 
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