I would grab this one from right here on the forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/guns-sale-trade/266312-wts-nib-colt-le6920-m4-carbine.html
I need help with AR-15 decision
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I would grab this one from right here on the forum.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/guns-sale-trade/266312-wts-nib-colt-le6920-m4-carbine.html
Did they have dust covers and forward assists like the SPORT does??
Oh wait... the SPORT doesn't, does it?
storeyteller
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No DC or FA on the sport.
Nope and I am not living in a tent with a dirt floor and sleeping with by boots on either. When I was living in tents and sleeping with my boots on with my M60 right next to me ready to roll, it didnt have a dust cover or a forward assist. And the very few times I actually carried an M16 or and M16A1 I didnt use the forward assist and wasnt very worried about the dust cover, and yes I was in the sand.
Well, It's a shame that the Govt didn't just save some money and send you over there with a SPORT.
CrossRifles2008
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My opinion about the whole situation is based on my time in the Army. SPORTS is why I like having a forward assist. Always having to have the dust cover closed is why I like a dust cover.
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storeyteller
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I have nothing but respect for the men and women of the armed services and law enforcement. The fact that these individuals put their lives on the line for this country and it's citizens is honorable indeed, and deserving of respect. I also respect their experience with firearms and have learned alot from them by remembering that I don't know and haven't done everything.
My own personal experience with firearms has been hunting and shooting for over 35yrs. Not once did my life depend on the reliability of my weapon, so anything I could say about combat effectiveness or reliability would be opinion not experience, which is just bull...****!
I have owned a Colt and it was a fine weapon, no doubt it. Down to 2 AR's today (and currently assembling another upper), one of which is a sport. For general hunting and target shooting it is more than adequate, and plenty accurate. I don't buy weapons (or anything else for that matter) thinking about the end of the world or how they would hold up in combat, I buy them to hunt and target shoot with. YMMV.
My own personal experience with firearms has been hunting and shooting for over 35yrs. Not once did my life depend on the reliability of my weapon, so anything I could say about combat effectiveness or reliability would be opinion not experience, which is just bull...****!
I have owned a Colt and it was a fine weapon, no doubt it. Down to 2 AR's today (and currently assembling another upper), one of which is a sport. For general hunting and target shooting it is more than adequate, and plenty accurate. I don't buy weapons (or anything else for that matter) thinking about the end of the world or how they would hold up in combat, I buy them to hunt and target shoot with. YMMV.
I have said this before. Unless a Red Dawn scenario occurs here in the USA which the odds are against that, I seriously dont believe I will ever be in combat or use my sport in combat so I really dont care about the FA or the dust cover for my AR and I had enough combat games in the Corps I dont need to relive them lol.
So if your like me and target shoot yes the sport is a great rifle and pretty accurate also.
So if your like me and target shoot yes the sport is a great rifle and pretty accurate also.
smithman 10
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Sport good - S&W too
I bought a Sport and later a used Colt Target Sporter with a 20" barrel, both for about the same price. I like them both an both have been 100 % reliable. It's a tossup which one I take out to the range to shoot.
But if I didn't have an AR and wanted to buy one and one only, I'd buy the Sport again and use the $ I saved for ammo and any accessories I wanted.
Like so many have said, most of us are just punching paper for recreation. Don't need no FA or dust cover for that and the gun works fine - I put a carry handle on it cause I like irons but the Magpul sights that came on it were fine really.
Get yourself a Sport!
I bought a Sport and later a used Colt Target Sporter with a 20" barrel, both for about the same price. I like them both an both have been 100 % reliable. It's a tossup which one I take out to the range to shoot.
But if I didn't have an AR and wanted to buy one and one only, I'd buy the Sport again and use the $ I saved for ammo and any accessories I wanted.
Like so many have said, most of us are just punching paper for recreation. Don't need no FA or dust cover for that and the gun works fine - I put a carry handle on it cause I like irons but the Magpul sights that came on it were fine really.
Get yourself a Sport!
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I appreciate your point of view. I do kinda feel bad for you thinking that your rifle right now is responsible for your safety. I modified my Sport, it has an engraved M4 upper with FA and Dustcover. The upper says "The Few The Proud, Marines" with the USMC emblem and the dustcover also has the USMC emblem and Marines on it. I got a really good deal or I probably wouldn't have done it. I did use my Sport Upper for another build, it is my close range AR, but because I am no longer in the Marines I do not worry about my rifles being exactly like my service weapons. You can get M&P rifles with FA's and dustcovers and they are very fine rifles. Enjoy your rifle whatever brand it may be, underneath the exterior they are basically all the same.
CrossRifles2008
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I don't recall saying I need a AR for safety. I like having a forward assist and dust cover, because I was trained to use them. It has nothing to do with fear or safety. Its probably why I still keep my socks rolled the same way and my clothes organized. My personality took to some things from my military time. Not everything but some things. I feel bad for you that you got a sport then changed it, and got but hurt over my preference. Do you get this upset if someone likes checkered wood grips on their 1911 over Houge rubber?
Plazzman
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My opinion what ever you like buy it and be happy with it. This is a free country you have your choice either a S&W Sport without a FA and a dust cover are a Colt with it. To me big deal if the Colt was a military issue. That still did not change my mind about buying the Sport. In plain words to each their own!!!!!
I don't know if this has come up, but what do you want to do with this rifle?
JJEH
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larry237
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Not an AR person. Bought an M&P Sport. It is looks good and is amazingly accurate. Shoots without failures on multiple ammo brands and bullet weights. Lots of fun to shoot. I like AR's a little more now.
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OK Hog Shooter
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I have a Stag with a left hand action, cause I'm left handed. It's a good, well made rifle. I bought it on the recommendation of a trusted friend in LE. I haven't been disappointed. I have a custom build with a Noveske upper and lower in a right hand action. Just a thought, though, if the SHTF, and parts become difficult to find, there will be infinitely more parts readily available for a right hand action.
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Maddmax
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So's my Army opinion and it's REGULAR ARMY. Not drafty,reserve or NG. I wouldn't have a "jam-o-matic-made by Matell,they're swell" over priced piece of junk Colt M-16 Colt AR anything after what I went through in the late 60's early 70's with them. Those Washington wizz kids tossed us a fully untested weapon for those conditions and climate that got many a good person killed because of an unproven faulty weapon. More oil,no oil,wrong oil,too much oil. Not cleaned properly. It's a BAD taste that will never go away. Only good Colt's are the 1911 handguns.
The M-14 stayed in the fight right next to the M-60 and other weapons already combat tested. BAD when the Enemies AK-47 gets to be a prefered weapon of carry in a Combat Zone...
If you want a basic M4-style carbine, it's simple: if you have $650 to spend, get an M&P-15 Sport. If you have $1099 to spend, get the Colt 6920.
If you want Magpul furniture, railed fore ends, or other gimmicky whatnots, don't listen to other's opinions here, or anywhere else on the Internet. Do your own research and buy what *you* want.
If you want Magpul furniture, railed fore ends, or other gimmicky whatnots, don't listen to other's opinions here, or anywhere else on the Internet. Do your own research and buy what *you* want.
CrossRifles2008, I didnt mean to offend your sensibilities, I just in no way believe the colt is the end all of AR's, I have handled lots of the medium and lower tier by price not by function AR's, I have yet to touch my first Noveske, out here in the country I haven't met anyone or know anyone who has one. My experience with LMT's is the same. I will just never promote a colt until I find one that shoots as accurately as my Sport. Not going to say its not going to happen but they have had a lot of years to make it happen and it hasn't yet.
JJEH
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I was reading the book "The M-4 Carbine" (Oliver Rosso) and it stated exactly this. Yes, it is a piece of history but unfortunately not always a good one...
Jorge. Never heard of them anywhere, how long have they been in business. Their "about us" is pretty vague and they say their products are being used by the U.S. government but no proof. All they have to do is have some government employee own one of their guns to make the claim. Their parts seem to be old technology except that side charger looked pretty interesting but $1275 for a 9mm AR is pretty pricey and $225 for a standard barrel not even chrome lined and no melonite. I liked the fact that they claim a lifetime warranty as we all know AR's are made to wear out with individual pieces replaceable as they wear. What do they consider the lifetime of an AR to be. I will have to find some reviews of their line of firearms but they all seem to be pretty pricey for an unknown company. thanks for the heads up.
JJEH
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Jorge. Never heard of them anywhere, how long have they been in business. Their "about us" is pretty vague and they say their products are being used by the U.S. government but no proof. All they have to do is have some government employee own one of their guns to make the claim. Their parts seem to be old technology except that side charger looked pretty interesting but $1275 for a 9mm AR is pretty pricey and $225 for a standard barrel not even chrome lined and no melonite. I liked the fact that they claim a lifetime warranty as we all know AR's are made to wear out with individual pieces replaceable as they wear. What do they consider the lifetime of an AR to be. I will have to find some reviews of their line of firearms but they all seem to be pretty pricey for an unknown company. thanks for the heads up.
I understand your concern and honestly, my wife knows somebody who has one and he likes it.
All your questions you might carry directly to ASA, since I don't work for them I cannot answer those.
But the fact that it's made in the USA, lifetime warranty and the option of a side charger looks pretty interesting to me.
ASA was also featured in Guns & Ammo,
http://www.americanspiritarms.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Guns-Feature.pdf
and I like what I see/read.
More print stuff here:
American Spirit Arms | M4 Carbine AR-15 Rifle Firearms Blog
The M-4 rifle I would like would cost $1,374.00 on their website. If I compare the features to other manufacturers it's not that far appart...
CrossRifles2008
Member
Ok you have a valid opinion, but the Colt M4 has beed trust worthy for me in the Army. I'm also not a "Drafty, Reserve, or NG". Unlike you I don't have anything against them though. I'm just waiting for Michael Keaton to jump in here and say "Shake your dicks boys! This pissing contest is over!" (Other Guys reference.). I'm not a Colty. In fact my preference kinda goes to the M&P 15T by cosmetics and taste. Does anyone own one of these? Has anyone shot one next to a Colt? If so how is the comparison? I don't have anything against the sport really. Its just not
my cup of joe. I wouldn't mind having one if I had multiple ARs but right now I'm not looking to own more than one.
cyphertext
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Guess I may as well chime in.... I have the Sport and love it. Great rifle for my needs. Put a Matech BUIS rear sight and mounted a red dot on it and that is it. Still pretty much stock. For $650 very hard to beat. Great value for the money.
However, as you climb the S&W ladder, in my opinion, you start to see that value erode some. You can still get good deals on the M&P 15 OR, and they are a good buy, especially when they are found in the $750 (or less) range.
Once you start getting into the higher priced S&W models and the $1000 and up range, there S&W might not represent as good as value to some. S&W tends to have more "upgrades", such as rails, Magpul furniture, etc... to their higher end rifles, but they don't follow the TDP. You will have to study where they deviate and decide if it is innovation on their part, or cost cutting. (Or maybe a combo of both, like melonite treatment of the barrel)
Buy what you can afford and what you like. If you must have a dust cover and forward assist, you shouldn't buy a Sport, because you won't be happy with it. If the pony rollmark makes you smile everytime you see it because it was your trusty friend "over there" then get one. If you want a midlength gas system, with Magpul furniture, and a 1:8 twist, melonite treated barrel made from 4150 CMV, with a couple of Magpul training DVDs thrown in, S&W has got you covered there....Many rifles out there, you have to decide what flavor you like and are willing to pay for.
However, as you climb the S&W ladder, in my opinion, you start to see that value erode some. You can still get good deals on the M&P 15 OR, and they are a good buy, especially when they are found in the $750 (or less) range.
Once you start getting into the higher priced S&W models and the $1000 and up range, there S&W might not represent as good as value to some. S&W tends to have more "upgrades", such as rails, Magpul furniture, etc... to their higher end rifles, but they don't follow the TDP. You will have to study where they deviate and decide if it is innovation on their part, or cost cutting. (Or maybe a combo of both, like melonite treatment of the barrel)
Buy what you can afford and what you like. If you must have a dust cover and forward assist, you shouldn't buy a Sport, because you won't be happy with it. If the pony rollmark makes you smile everytime you see it because it was your trusty friend "over there" then get one. If you want a midlength gas system, with Magpul furniture, and a 1:8 twist, melonite treated barrel made from 4150 CMV, with a couple of Magpul training DVDs thrown in, S&W has got you covered there....Many rifles out there, you have to decide what flavor you like and are willing to pay for.
CrossRifles2008
Member
I appreciate the help. Juggling between M&P 15T I think I found it for about $1,029.00. I also found a Colt Magpul AR15 for $1,199.00. I have time to think about it anyway not pulling the trigger today.
cyphertext
US Veteran
The new M&P 15T is really a dressed up Sport. Same lower, same BCG, same barrel. You get a dust cover, forward assist, and a rail for a little bump in cost. You should expect the same reliability and accuracy. I would buy one over the Sport today if I were in the market.
I have read a report on another forum where an LE agency had 24 of these on the line for a 5 day class. Five days, minimum of 500 rounds per day. The officer posted that he had one failure, and it was operator error when shooting from the support side. He said he holds his rifle at the magwell, and when shooting left handed, his thumb got in the way of the ejection port and caused a stovepipe. Only failure in the class that he was aware of, as the instructors pointed it out as an example and talked about it.
cyphertext
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At that price, that sounds like the older version of the 15T, when it had a Troy rail and flip up sights. If that is for the new version of the 15T, with Magpul sights, that sounds pretty high. I haven't priced them in a couple of months though, and I have heard that prices are going up.
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I have a S&W MP15, its the only rifle I own and I am more than pleased with it. $1200 will get you a lot of bang for your buck. Its a great rifle I've only had mine for a year and put about 1200 rounds through it. Not a lot but I'm happy with its performance.
There is a colt 6920 brand new right on this forum now for 1060 shipped I believe.
If your waiting for a better deal than that I dont know what to tell you...
http://smith-wessonforum.com/guns-sale-trade/266312-wts-nib-colt-le6920-m4-carbine.html
cyphertext
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Local Wal-marts carry them for the same price, without the additional FFL fees.
