I never thought I'd be a Sig owner.....

[rwsmith]

That's plenty of beef.....

I wanted to like Sigs, I really did. I think the 226/220 series are lovely guns, and I even like the looks of the 320s. I like the way the guns feel in my hands, and I like the full length slide rails on my P6.

But I hate the triggers, now many of you told me the 250/320s are a lot better and I haven't had the chance to handle on yet. But the P series triggers suck for me. Too much slack and takeup.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

My P6 looks like a bitch just to swap the hammer spring.

But by far my biggest beef with Sig is the lack of magazine compatibility. A double stack 9mm should fit another double stack of the same frame size. Take it out of you 226 and slam in it your 320, but sadly that doesn't happen. So if you want to have a couple Sigs, you are going to be buying a ton of incompatible mags. I love glock for that, and I wish more companies followed suit.

I have an S&W 5943 DAO and the trigger is great for a DAO. The 250 trigger is a little lighter, both are silky smooth. The best DAO trigger I have is the Shield. It's almost like a SA.
One thing about the Sig is how the trigger has a little play forward and back when the finger if off. When you've got your finger on it's fine. I'm not big on reset, but the Sig has a tactile/audible one.

The field strip of the 250 is easy as pie. I don't go much beyond that because I'm a bubba smith and would be bound to REALLY mess something up.

That's something about the mags. One way to make money I guess. The more guns you have the more mags you'll need.

 

[WVSig]

I wanted to like Sigs, I really did. I think the 226/220 series are lovely guns, and I even like the looks of the 320s. I like the way the guns feel in my hands, and I like the full length slide rails on my P6.

But I hate the triggers, now many of you told me the 250/320s are a lot better and I haven't had the chance to handle on yet. But the P series triggers suck for me. Too much slack and takeup.

I hear this a lot and I do not disagree but a lot has to do with how you "run" the trigger. I like to use a hard prep and take the slack out of the trigger as the gun cycles. The Sigs take up and slack allows me to "prep" the trigger and then break the shot giving me faster slips and better accuracy vs jerking the trigger but not everyone shoots the same so one man's advantage is another man's disadvantage.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

My P6 looks like a bitch just to swap the hammer spring.

You can't argue with the simplicity of the Glock. The Sig is going to be more complicated but then again just about any hammer fired gun will be more complicated then a striker.

But by far my biggest beef with Sig is the lack of magazine compatibility. A double stack 9mm should fit another double stack of the same frame size. Take it out of you 226 and slam in it your 320, but sadly that doesn't happen. So if you want to have a couple Sigs, you are going to be buying a ton of incompatible mags. I love glock for that, and I wish more companies followed suit.

This is not a fair comparison. Glock really makes 1 guns in the double stack 9mm. They then offer that gun in 3 different sizes. The fullsized 17, compact 19 and the subcompact 26. The mags run in that same gun from the top down.

The same is true within the Sig classic P series guns. P226 9mm mags run in the the P228 or P229. They do not have a double stack subcompact in the classic P series so the compatibility ends there. The same IIRC stays true in 40 S&W and .357 P226/P229.

The same was true for the Sig P220 and the Sig P245. The P220 mags ran in the P245.

In the P320 lineup the Glock type compatibility runs up and down the line. Fullsized mags work in compact and subcompact guns.

The idea that P320 mags would work in classic P series guns and vice versa is too much to expect. Do you expect M&P mags to work in Gen 3 Smiths?

You are taking a very narrow aspect of the Glock line up and applying it to companies that have multiple designs and multiple platforms. If you look closely Glock really only has 1 design. They adapt it to fit other calibers and convert if from double stack to single stack but the "guts" are all the same design. Think Japanese auto engines. Other companies have distinct independent designs which which are independently developed but offer similar compatibility within the same design.

 

[caleb4387]

I'm told that the SP2022 is either being discontinued or has already been discontinued. I lost my last opportunity for a really good price on one last year when a local dealer was blowing them out for cheap prior to going out of business. The 9mm versions sold out almost instantly he said. The .40's lingered but I've already got enough .40's to sink a ship.

It's funny how the SP2022 never quite rose to the top of my Want List during all those years when they were available and very reasonably priced. Now that they are scarce and expensive, I want one! Human nature strikes again!

got a friend with an SP 2022 very comfortable to hold but I never shot it. Now the p250 I'm curious about but I like guns to look reasonably decent but the 250 looks cartoonish to me

 

[caleb4387]

I wanted to like Sigs, I really did. I think the 226/220 series are lovely guns, and I even like the looks of the 320s. I like the way the guns feel in my hands, and I like the full length slide rails on my P6.

But I hate the triggers, now many of you told me the 250/320s are a lot better and I haven't had the chance to handle on yet. But the P series triggers suck for me. Too much slack and takeup.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

My P6 looks like a bitch just to swap the hammer spring.

But by far my biggest beef with Sig is the lack of magazine compatibility. A double stack 9mm should fit another double stack of the same frame size. Take it out of you 226 and slam in it your 320, but sadly that doesn't happen. So if you want to have a couple Sigs, you are going to be buying a ton of incompatible mags. I love glock for that, and I wish more companies followed suit.

That's silly. They're two different designs. That's like wanting a Springfield mag to work in a Beretta. And why is everyone so averse to buying mags? You don't have to buy hundreds

 

[Arik]

I wanted to like Sigs, I really did. I think the 226/220 series are lovely guns, and I even like the looks of the 320s. I like the way the guns feel in my hands, and I like the full length slide rails on my P6.

But I hate the triggers, now many of you told me the 250/320s are a lot better and I haven't had the chance to handle on yet. But the P series triggers suck for me. Too much slack and takeup.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

My P6 looks like a bitch just to swap the hammer spring.

But by far my biggest beef with Sig is the lack of magazine compatibility. A double stack 9mm should fit another double stack of the same frame size. Take it out of you 226 and slam in it your 320, but sadly that doesn't happen. So if you want to have a couple Sigs, you are going to be buying a ton of incompatible mags. I love glock for that, and I wish more companies followed suit.

That's not possible. It would mean that among other things all grips have to be the same size and same angle. Every company is like that. HK USP and P2000/P30 mags don't interchange. Sig 226 and 2022 don't interchange. S&W 5900, M&P, Sigma don't interchange.

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[SquarePizza]

My beef with buying mags is the price of the mags and how many are needed at a time. For example, shooting a club IDPA match, I need a minimum of 4 just to clear the stage (1 barney mag, and 3 loaded), but if the event isn't well attended and moves fast, I don't want to hold them up loading mags so I would prefer more. With sig mags running around $40 a pop, that sucks.

Yes, the 1911 guys are paying a lot for mags too, but I don't shoot them. =)

I bought 4 mags for my Sig P6, carefully waiting for them to drop to the $40 range on ebay. But someday if I wanted a new sig P225, still a single stack 9... it should take the old p225/p6 mags. Nope, the changed the mag completely.

 

[WVSig]

My beef with buying mags is the price of the mags and how many are needed at a time. For example, shooting a club IDPA match, I need a minimum of 4 just to clear the stage (1 barney mag, and 3 loaded), but if the event isn't well attended and moves fast, I don't want to hold them up loading mags so I would prefer more. With sig mags running around $40 a pop, that sucks.

Yes, the 1911 guys are paying a lot for mags too, but I don't shoot them. =)

I bought 4 mags for my Sig P6, carefully waiting for them to drop to the $40 range on ebay. But someday if I wanted a new sig P225, still a single stack 9... it should take the old p225/p6 mags. Nope, the changed the mag completely.

That is because it is not the same gun. The tooling for the old mags has been long gone for years. They were discontinued when the P6 surplus guns flooded the market. That is what you were paying so much.

 

[Arik]

My beef with buying mags is the price of the mags and how many are needed at a time. For example, shooting a club IDPA match, I need a minimum of 4 just to clear the stage (1 barney mag, and 3 loaded), but if the event isn't well attended and moves fast, I don't want to hold them up loading mags so I would prefer more. With sig mags running around $40 a pop, that sucks.

Yes, the 1911 guys are paying a lot for mags too, but I don't shoot them. =)

I bought 4 mags for my Sig P6, carefully waiting for them to drop to the $40 range on ebay. But someday if I wanted a new sig P225, still a single stack 9... it should take the old p225/p6 mags. Nope, the changed the mag completely.

You have to look around. There are tons of websites with good prices. I have several SIGs and never paid $40 a mag.

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[Brian in Oregon]

That is because it is not the same gun. The tooling for the old mags has been long gone for years. They were discontinued when the P6 surplus guns flooded the market. That is what you were paying so much.

Correct. I have an old P225. It is a scaled down P220.

The new P225A1 is actually based on the P239. P239 mags will not fit the P225A1 because of the longer grip on the latter. But reports are the P225A1 mags will fit the P239.

Because the P225A1 is based on the P239, I was hoping SIG was going to bring it out in 357 SIG for 2017. There were rumors about this last year from discussions some dealers had with SIG reps. But, alas, it's not on their website. I think a single stack P225A1 in 357 SIG would make a really good medium size carry piece.