I seriously can't take anymore of the 3rd gen prices

[Arik]

I could care less about all that agenda you just threw out there. I am talking about a convicted felon having access to a firearm at a gun range to do as he sees fit with that firearm. Regardless of the amount of laws on the books for legal gun ownership, I was kind of made aware that they do allow some gun ranges to rent firearms to felons and these people lost all rights to legal firearm possession. Why should they be allowed to go to gun range and rent a firearm and then shoot it while they could not purchase one on their own?

I have changed my stance on AK and AR firearm possession as typically I do not believe them to be hunting rifles but in this day and age dealing with an obviously corrupted government driven by billionaire decision making, I can see why certain people who have the right to own them want to. However, I do not want to be at a gun range shooting firearms along side with violent criminals or rapists. Sorry do not want to do it.

So what happens when the background check system is down? Should the range close for the day? Should YOU be checked every time YOU go to the range? After all you can commit a felony after leaving your last gun range session. Someone who wants to commit a crime but hasnt yet can just as easily pass the bg check and commit the crime. Do nailguns count? How about knives? Chainsaws? Also, being a felon doesnt mean you were a killer or rapist. B. Madoff is a felon yet he never physically laid a hand on anyone.

Quit helping the antis. A gun doesnt have to be for friggin hunting in order to have it. Nor does it have to be for dealing with tge government or zombies or foreign invaders. How about "i just like AKs" while I really dont care for bolt or lever guns. Why is that a problem?

So by your definition I should only own 50 year old bolt or lever action rifle and be checked at the range every time.

Un-be-*******g-lievable

I believe you shouldnt drive a pickup truck since mosf people dont actually haul anything every time they get into one. A Geo Metro should be plenty for you. And all you guys 50 and oldrr should be given driving tests every 2 years. Over 60? Every 1 year. 65-70 every 6 months. Anything over 70.....every time you get behind the wheel

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[James&theGiant1911]

Then don't go to gun ranges!!! Don't try and impose your narrow views on the rest of us with more useless and wasteful laws.

Why they most certainly do, when I was in south Florida visiting a friend's family, I thought it would be a good idea to go to the gun range and give my Hi Power Practical a good run through. While I was going to go on a Saturday but did not end up going, some convicted felon went in Sunday morning, rented a wheel gun and went to the range. Fired off a couple of shots then shot himself in the head. I thought to myself well good I did not go to that range. I do not go to any ranges now and shoot with friends or relatives on private property.

You never know who you are shooting with at a range, especially ones that rent guns to convicted felons without a background check. I understand that people kill people and not the guns but their is a difference from someone at a Home Depot with a butter knife then someone at the range with a 38 special. I can handle myself well enough that I am not concerned with someone with a knife. I am concerned with someone with a gun able to shoot me without provocation or warning.

 

[Arik]

Wow

One time a felon got into a car and died in a car accident. Since then I sit at home and hope nothing ever never ever ever happens

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[James&theGiant1911]

So what happens when the background check system is down? Should the range close for the day? Should YOU be checked every time YOU go to the range? After all you can commit a felony after leaving your last gun range session. Someone who wants to commit a crime but hasnt yet can just as easily pass the bg check and commit the crime. Do nailguns count? How about knives? Chainsaws? Also, being a felon doesnt mean you were a killer or rapist. B. Madoff is a felon yet he never physically laid a hand on anyone.

Quit helping the antis. A gun doesnt have to be for friggin hunting in order to have it. Nor does it have to be for dealing with tge government or zombies or foreign invaders. How about "i just like AKs" while I really dont care for bolt or lever guns. Why is that a problem?

Un-be-*******g-lievable

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You have a right to own what you want as long as it is not illegal. Really do not understand what you arguing with, if you have a vested interest or make money off the non background check firearm rentals then I can see how this opinion would offend you. I believe in rightful ownership and told an anti gun organization trying to get money from me to ban assault rifles to blow off. There are lots of agendas out there and my opinion is just that mine, I do not feel comfortable shooting guns around someone who could have been popped for murder, drugs or no telling what. You all can think of yourselves as Rambo and you would blow away some fool at a gun range killing a bunch of people. Once someone anyone with a gun, could be a 12 year old kid, gets the drop on you. Then you might as well kiss your arse good bye.

 

[Arik]

You have a right to own what you want as long as it is not illegal. Really do not understand what you arguing with, if you have a vested interest or make money off the non background check firearm rentals then I can see how this opinion would offend you. I believe in rightful ownership and told an anti gun organization trying to get money from me to ban assault rifles to blow off. There are lots of agendas out there and my opinion is just that mine, I do not feel comfortable shooting guns around someone who could have been popped for murder, drugs or no telling what. You all can think of yourselves as Rambo and you would blow away some fool at a gun range killing a bunch of people. Once someone anyone with a gun, could be a 12 year old kid, gets the drop on you. Then you might as well kiss your arse good bye.

No agenda. Dont own a range or any gun related business.

Same can happen at the mall, at the DMV at the post office.....ANYWHERE.

What if your felon bought a gun of the street, walked into a gun range and started blasting away? What if that same felon did that at the grocery store? Does everyone need a background check there too? You heard of one experience in Florida many many years ago and you have assume irs everywhere and at all times. In reality what happened was tge guy wanted to commit suicide but couldnt buy a gun because he HAPPEND to be a felon. So he rented one instead.

I dont know all my neighbors and all could be felons. Its quite possible that if I step outside I could immediately shot by a dozen different people

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[finesse_r]

You have a right to own what you want as long as it is not illegal. Really do not understand what you arguing with, if you have a vested interest or make money off the non background check firearm rentals then I can see how this opinion would offend you. I believe in rightful ownership and told an anti gun organization trying to get money from me to ban assault rifles to blow off. There are lots of agendas out there and my opinion is just that mine, I do not feel comfortable shooting guns around someone who could have been popped for murder, drugs or no telling what. You all can think of yourselves as Rambo and you would blow away some fool at a gun range killing a bunch of people. Once someone anyone with a gun, could be a 12 year old kid, gets the drop on you. Then you might as well kiss your arse good bye.

I cannot think of a worse place for some nut to try and kill people!! I mean everyone there is armed. Mass murders like easy prey and unarmed prey, not those with guns for protection. LOL It would be like walking into and trying hold up a gun store with a club.

One incident of suicide gets blow up by the press and you are off crying the sky is falling, the sky is falling. LOL

How do you ever get out of the house each day with all the felons walking the street? A gun range is one of the safest places in the world, other than the those that don't know basic gun safety. Those are the real threats at shooting ranges.

Also illegal guns are easier to get than legal ones as their are no checks on them, no federal forms to fill out, and no taxes. Most gun laws are mostly aimed at law abiding citizens and not actual criminals. With the government shipping illegal guns to Mexico to be used against our border guards, I trust the average citizen's judgment much more than I do our federal government's judgment.

We should be trying to eliminate 90% of the laws on the books, not dreaming unneeded up new ones.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

I cannot think of a worse place for some nut to try and kill people!! I mean everyone there is armed. Mass murders like easy prey and unarmed prey, not those with guns for protection. LOL It would be like walking into and trying hold up a gun store with a club.

One incident of suicide gets blow up by the press and you are off crying the sky is falling, the sky is falling. LOL

How do you ever get out of the house each day with all the felons walking the street? A gun range is one of the safest places in the world, other than the those that don't know basic gun safety. Those are the real threats at shooting ranges.

Also illegal guns are easier to get than legal ones as their are no checks on them, no federal forms to fill out, and no taxes. Most gun laws are mostly aimed at law abiding citizens and not actual criminals. With the government shipping illegal guns to Mexico to be used against our border guards, I trust the average citizen's judgment much more than I do our federal government's judgment.

We should be trying to eliminate 90% of the laws on the books, not dreaming unneeded up new ones.

ok, your right. Now the back to the topic at hand.

The 3rd gens will continue to rise in price because they no longer are made and are very popular in movies and tv shows. For the time period in which they were around, they proved themselves to be quality firearms hence why the inflated prices on them today.

 

[finesse_r]

ok, your right. Now the back to the topic at hand.

The 3rd gens will continue to rise in price because they no longer are made and are very popular in movies and tv shows. For the time period in which they were around, they proved themselves to be quality firearms hence why the inflated prices on them today.

What inflated prices? Just as there is no problem at the gun range that needs new laws, the prices for the most part on 3rd generation pistols are undervalued. This has been stated and restated so I don't understand why you keep asking.

 

[Arik]

Yea they run about $400 here. Not inflated bit this does change from area to area

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[James&theGiant1911]

What inflated prices? Just as there is no problem at the gun range that needs new laws, the prices for the most part on 3rd generation pistols are undervalued. This has been stated and restated so I don't understand why you keep asking.

It was just a statement, 3rd gens sell for the same price if not more money than when they were new. As you know, a 500-600 dollar gun sells a lot faster and quicker than a 2-3 grand gun. It was a general statement and not as something that should be taken literally.

 

[Hill_Country]

Perhaps we need background checks to post on this forum - there have been a few nutters sneak in even though there are rules against them.

 

[BAM-BAM]

looking at the last couple of pages........on felons renting guns......

I no longer go to the "public ranges" at state game lands here in Pa.
Too many people around that I'd rather not have around me with guns and ammo!

I've only been to a couple of rental ranges...... IIRC only 1-2 employees...... pretty empty......... not sure about other security....... couple of "bad guys" (say from Boston) rent guns, buy ammo............shoot employees and clean out the range and gun shop..........

Rental range employee....... not a job I'd want!!!!!

OK ...... let's return to our regular programing !!!!!!

 

[BAM-BAM]

Arik

After an earlier post;

Glock 19 empty = 21ozs

3913 empty= 24.8 ...OK 25 ozs

+ 8rds of 9mm in the Glock = wash on carry weight........

 

[perfectcircle1]

Who the heck dug up this old thread anyway....

 

[BAM-BAM]

perfectcircle1 your finger prints are all over it.. LOL......but it was Gater1

 

[perfectcircle1]

Its funny how threads transform. All i was stating was how beat up third gens that i wouldn't mind having are priced ridiculously

 

[BAM-BAM]

Maybe that's why they call them threads......... just pull on one and see where it goes......................................................

 

[ladder13]

............... 3rd gens sell for the same price if not more money than when they were new................

That's not unique to 3rd G auto's.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

That's not unique to 3rd G auto's.

well gee, no its not but it is still better than some custom guns that sell for hundreds if not a thousand + less than when they were new.

Ever see a used Nighthawk or Wilson sell?

 

[ladder13]

well gee, no its not but it is still better than some custom guns that sell for hundreds if not a thousand + less than when they were new.

Ever see a used Nighthawk or Wilson sell?

Can't say, those guns don't interest me one bit.

 

[kbm6893]

looking at the last couple of pages........on felons renting guns......

I no longer go to the "public ranges" at state game lands here in Pa.
Too many people around that I'd rather not have around me with guns and ammo!

I've only been to a couple of rental ranges...... IIRC only 1-2 employees...... pretty empty......... not sure about other security....... couple of "bad guys" (say from Boston) rent guns, buy ammo............shoot employees and clean out the range and gun shop..........

Rental range employee....... not a job I'd want!!!!!

OK ...... let's return to our regular programing !!!!!!

Funny you should day that. I used to go the State Game Land 183 in NE PA. One time I went (a Saturday), the lot was jammed. There were at least 6 cars with NY plates (no big deal, I'm from NY). The range is about 30 minutes over the NY border. Saw three guys wearing "ghetto garb" shooting (or should I saw spraying) an AK at the target. Another guy next to me was trying to figure out how to load his M1 Garand with the barrel pointed at my head.

So I leave and come back on a weekday. Guy in his early 60's wearing Vietnam era fatigues. He has no hearing protection on so I tell him I'm about to shoot. he tells me he "didn't need em in the 'Nam, I don't need them npw". OK, I start shooting. The dude pulls out an M1 carbine and starts shooting. He's yelling Asian racial epithets as he fires "two the the chest, one to the head, take that you Dink!". I leave.

Now, I shoot at a private range on weekdays only. Too many idiot gun owners out there.

As for ranges renting to felons, it's a horrible idea.

And I'd sell 2 Glocks to buy one 3rd Gen.

 

[boatboy]

I think I can concur With a previous post that When you compare the cost of these almost any price there a bargain with new manufacture plastic guns
I was very fortunate within the last 6 weeks I pick up two 5906s one was Friday at a bargain cost
the really nice thing about these going up is it proves that I was not a fool to start collecting them in the first place. I started collecting them in 2011 and have built up a nice collection you just have to watch and be ready to act immediately
the only one that I am short at that this time is a 1006 and we all know those bring a premium

Hank

 

[Arik]

I use state game land out in Jim Thorpe Pa. Like it a lot. Hardly ever run into anyone besides locals sighting in their new deer rifles

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[timn8er]

Did anyone here see that auction on GB for a really nice looking 4513TSW early non rail that ended a little while ago? It went for $725. Box, papers & two magazines. I saw it when it was first listed & I knew it was going to go high.

 

[gator1]

Who the heck dug up this old thread anyway....

My Bad! I refer to this post a lot and was just looking to keep current.

 

[cpeblue]

Did anyone here see that auction on GB for a really nice looking 4513TSW early non rail that ended a little while ago? It went for $725. Box, papers & two magazines. I saw it when it was first listed & I knew it was going to go high.

Actually $750.00 lest you forget $25.00 shipping, then you have what the FFL will charge for the transfer. So it looks like the .45 3rd gens are beginning to catchup to the 10mms. In all honesty I ran the pistol to 675, which I didn't want to pay and expected to be out bid but when it hit 725 the evil in me wanted to juice it a bit to see how high it would go but afraid I would get stuck holding that bag. The pistol is nice but not perfect , when I received the outbid notification I was kind of relieved.

 

[finesse_r]

Did anyone here see that auction on GB for a really nice looking 4513TSW early non rail that ended a little while ago? It went for $725. Box, papers & two magazines. I saw it when it was first listed & I knew it was going to go high.

Yes I saw that one. It started out priced at 1 penny and the bidders determined the final value.

I also saw another one sold about a month ago for $560 with 5 mags on GB. It was in pretty nice condition with no box or papers. Auctions are weird. If the right two bidder show up the gun can bring a real premium. If not, there are some good deals to be had.

I bought a pristine in the box with papers and 4 mags on this site about a this past December for $650 shipped.

The 4513TSW without a rail is a fairly rare gun and there will be no more of them made.

Check the price on a Colt Python or Diamondback, or Gold Cup. They are selling for 4 or 5 or 6 times their original cost.

Check the price of a S&W Model 610 revolver. These revolvers are going for 1200 to 1800 depending on condition and barrel length, and for a 3 inch like new in the box even more.

If the going rate for a like new in the box Model 4513TSW is 650 to 750. I don't see how that is over priced given the quality that went into a Model 4513TSW. The TSW variants are a pretty serious upgrade over the standard third generation in precision hand fitting and tolerances and that translates into accuracy. These are somewhere between a standard production pistol and a PC pistol.

Even if these 4513TSWs were a $1,000 for a like new in the box, theywould be a better buy than one of the new plastic fantastics.

My suggestion to those unwilling to pay the price for them is to buy another product that they consider more properly priced.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Yes I saw that one. It started out priced at 1 penny and the bidders determined the final value.

I also saw another one sold about a month ago for $560 with 5 mags on GB. It was in pretty nice condition with no box or papers. Auctions are weird. If the right two bidder show up the gun can bring a real premium. If not, there are some good deals to be had.

I bought a pristine in the box with papers and 4 mags on this site about a this past December for $650 shipped.

The 4513TSW without a rail is a fairly rare gun and there will be no more of them made.

Check the price on a Colt Python or Diamondback, or Gold Cup. They are selling for 4 or 5 or 6 times their original cost.

Check the price of a S&W Model 610 revolver. These revolvers are going for 1200 to 1800 depending on condition and barrel length, and for a 3 inch like new in the box even more.

If the going rate for a like new in the box Model 4513TSW is 650 to 750. I don't see how that is over priced given the quality that went into a Model 4513TSW. The TSW variants are a pretty serious upgrade over the standard third generation in precision hand fitting and tolerances and that translates into accuracy. These are somewhere between a standard production pistol and a PC pistol.

Even if these 4513TSWs were a $1,000 for a like new in the box, theywould be a better buy than one of the new plastic fantastics.

My suggestion to those unwilling to pay the price for them is to buy another product that they consider more properly priced.

I have a gold cup and while they are selling for 20-30 percent more than I paid for it, they are no where near the 3-4 times value you posted.

 

[perfectcircle1]

Did anyone here see that auction on GB for a really nice looking 4513TSW early non rail that ended a little while ago? It went for $725. Box, papers & two magazines. I saw it when it was first listed & I knew it was going to go high.

I saw it too, fortunately for me my gun budget is depleted right now cause i would have bid on it

 

[VTHokiesDuckHunter]

There is a lot of misinformation on here, but fortunately a lot if guys do get it.

3rd gens, LNIB or NIB are basically selling for roughly what they did when new 10 years ago, or a little more. They sell for about the same or less than a comparable metal SIG or Beretta, and about the same or less than a new FN (my favorite polymer guns), HK or Springfield. Less than the cost of a stainless Ruger or Remington 1911.

What's the beef?

Not talking about well used ones or police trade-ins, as I don't buy those. You may think they're overpriced, I can't say. But the LNIB and NIB models are generally a bargain.

If I find a Scandium 4040 again LNIB for under $1000, as I have several times in the last year, I plan to buy it.