James&theGiant1911
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Nope because he was a felon and allowed to rent it. No background checks on rentals. He then used the gun to kill himself which is fortunate since he could have taken out a few others before hand.
I am no fan of Florida.
I seriously can't take anymore of the 3rd gen prices
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Nope because he was a felon and allowed to rent it. No background checks on rentals. He then used the gun to kill himself which is fortunate since he could have taken out a few others before hand.
I am no fan of Florida.
James&theGiant1911
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I am all for free enterprise but that is one law that needs to change.
blasterp7
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I agree for the most part with all of the posts. What I think needs to be remembered, especially in the light of recent "crazy" pricing of nearly everything firearms related, is that 3rd gen pricing is reasonable - for what you get. They are probably the best value in these times. If you can wait a little while, most all things in the firearms world will come down in pricing again. You may even be able to purchase ammo again!
Arik
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Oh, hey I wasnt arguing your point, more like other side of the coin discussing.
Its true, when you look at the 39xx and the Shield or Kahr the few extra oz wont make or break anything but when you have a 59xx thats 40oz unloaded, add to that the mag and 15-17 rounds of 115-147gr bullets you easily get close to 50oz. Something the weight of a loaded 1911. On the other hand a G19 is 20oz less fully loaded. Thats 1.25lbs less. Not an incredible amount but a lot if youre carrying every day.
My work gun (6am-6pm) is a G19. Simple, reliable, plenty of ammo and LIGHT. If its a weekend or a day where I dont have to carry for 12 hours I'll carry a 5646 or a 4566. Because on those days I know im not going to be on my feet and moving around most of the time.
Last Sunday at a gun show at Oaks Pa I tried selling my 4563TSW. NO takers....NO ONE! Dealers didn't even want to counter offer. And they buy a bit of everything. I have never had a problem selling at a gunshow.....until now.
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Arik
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Ive never heard of a background check for rentals anywhere. Im in SE Pa
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finesse_r
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First of all there is no law to change other than to create a law making it a requirement. I would strongly oppose creating yet another law restricting the possession and use of firearms, even the temporary possession and use.
It would be just one more step in reducing freedom and creating bureaucratic red tape. The gun does not leave the premises, and there is no transfer of ownership. Adding yet another gun law to the books would just be putting the additional costs of a background check on the range. This would just put some ranges out of business and drive up the cost of shooting even higher. It would also result in a paper trail on everyone that goes to the range.
This nearly is as bad as some of the recent proposals to ban guns!!! This is a suggestion I would expect from the far left anti-gun nuts.
If you think it would stop there then think again. Next they would be wanting background checks if you let a friend shoot one of your guns, or a family member shoot one of your guns. Then a background check just to look at a gun. Jesus!! This non-sense of trying to create laws to protect everyone from every possible thing is ludicrous and totally out of control.
James&theGiant1911
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I could care less about all that agenda you just threw out there. I am talking about a convicted felon having access to a firearm at a gun range to do as he sees fit with that firearm. Regardless of the amount of laws on the books for legal gun ownership, I was kind of made aware that they do allow some gun ranges to rent firearms to felons and these people lost all rights to legal firearm possession. Why should they be allowed to go to gun range and rent a firearm and then shoot it while they could not purchase one on their own?
I have changed my stance on AK and AR firearm possession as typically I do not believe them to be hunting rifles but in this day and age dealing with an obviously corrupted government driven by billionaire decision making, I can see why certain people who have the right to own them want to. However, I do not want to be at a gun range shooting firearms along side with violent criminals or rapists. Sorry do not want to do it.
Maybe we need background checks in home goods stores, you never know when someone will grab that butter knife and go off.
finesse_r
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Then don't go to gun ranges!!! Don't try and impose your narrow views on the rest of us with more useless and wasteful laws.
Arik
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So what happens when the background check system is down? Should the range close for the day? Should YOU be checked every time YOU go to the range? After all you can commit a felony after leaving your last gun range session. Someone who wants to commit a crime but hasnt yet can just as easily pass the bg check and commit the crime. Do nailguns count? How about knives? Chainsaws? Also, being a felon doesnt mean you were a killer or rapist. B. Madoff is a felon yet he never physically laid a hand on anyone.
Quit helping the antis. A gun doesnt have to be for friggin hunting in order to have it. Nor does it have to be for dealing with tge government or zombies or foreign invaders. How about "i just like AKs" while I really dont care for bolt or lever guns. Why is that a problem?
So by your definition I should only own 50 year old bolt or lever action rifle and be checked at the range every time.
Un-be-*******g-lievable
I believe you shouldnt drive a pickup truck since mosf people dont actually haul anything every time they get into one. A Geo Metro should be plenty for you. And all you guys 50 and oldrr should be given driving tests every 2 years. Over 60? Every 1 year. 65-70 every 6 months. Anything over 70.....every time you get behind the wheel
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James&theGiant1911
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Why they most certainly do, when I was in south Florida visiting a friend's family, I thought it would be a good idea to go to the gun range and give my Hi Power Practical a good run through. While I was going to go on a Saturday but did not end up going, some convicted felon went in Sunday morning, rented a wheel gun and went to the range. Fired off a couple of shots then shot himself in the head. I thought to myself well good I did not go to that range. I do not go to any ranges now and shoot with friends or relatives on private property.
You never know who you are shooting with at a range, especially ones that rent guns to convicted felons without a background check. I understand that people kill people and not the guns but their is a difference from someone at a Home Depot with a butter knife then someone at the range with a 38 special. I can handle myself well enough that I am not concerned with someone with a knife. I am concerned with someone with a gun able to shoot me without provocation or warning.
Arik
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Wow
One time a felon got into a car and died in a car accident. Since then I sit at home and hope nothing ever never ever ever happens
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One time a felon got into a car and died in a car accident. Since then I sit at home and hope nothing ever never ever ever happens
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James&theGiant1911
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You have a right to own what you want as long as it is not illegal. Really do not understand what you arguing with, if you have a vested interest or make money off the non background check firearm rentals then I can see how this opinion would offend you. I believe in rightful ownership and told an anti gun organization trying to get money from me to ban assault rifles to blow off. There are lots of agendas out there and my opinion is just that mine, I do not feel comfortable shooting guns around someone who could have been popped for murder, drugs or no telling what. You all can think of yourselves as Rambo and you would blow away some fool at a gun range killing a bunch of people. Once someone anyone with a gun, could be a 12 year old kid, gets the drop on you. Then you might as well kiss your arse good bye.
Arik
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No agenda. Dont own a range or any gun related business.
Same can happen at the mall, at the DMV at the post office.....ANYWHERE.
What if your felon bought a gun of the street, walked into a gun range and started blasting away? What if that same felon did that at the grocery store? Does everyone need a background check there too? You heard of one experience in Florida many many years ago and you have assume irs everywhere and at all times. In reality what happened was tge guy wanted to commit suicide but couldnt buy a gun because he HAPPEND to be a felon. So he rented one instead.
I dont know all my neighbors and all could be felons. Its quite possible that if I step outside I could immediately shot by a dozen different people
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finesse_r
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I cannot think of a worse place for some nut to try and kill people!! I mean everyone there is armed. Mass murders like easy prey and unarmed prey, not those with guns for protection. LOL It would be like walking into and trying hold up a gun store with a club.
One incident of suicide gets blow up by the press and you are off crying the sky is falling, the sky is falling. LOL
How do you ever get out of the house each day with all the felons walking the street? A gun range is one of the safest places in the world, other than the those that don't know basic gun safety. Those are the real threats at shooting ranges.
Also illegal guns are easier to get than legal ones as their are no checks on them, no federal forms to fill out, and no taxes. Most gun laws are mostly aimed at law abiding citizens and not actual criminals. With the government shipping illegal guns to Mexico to be used against our border guards, I trust the average citizen's judgment much more than I do our federal government's judgment.
We should be trying to eliminate 90% of the laws on the books, not dreaming unneeded up new ones.
James&theGiant1911
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ok, your right. Now the back to the topic at hand.
The 3rd gens will continue to rise in price because they no longer are made and are very popular in movies and tv shows. For the time period in which they were around, they proved themselves to be quality firearms hence why the inflated prices on them today.
finesse_r
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What inflated prices? Just as there is no problem at the gun range that needs new laws, the prices for the most part on 3rd generation pistols are undervalued. This has been stated and restated so I don't understand why you keep asking.
Arik
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Yea they run about $400 here. Not inflated bit this does change from area to area
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James&theGiant1911
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It was just a statement, 3rd gens sell for the same price if not more money than when they were new. As you know, a 500-600 dollar gun sells a lot faster and quicker than a 2-3 grand gun. It was a general statement and not as something that should be taken literally.
