I struggle with Memorial Day

Rastoff

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When I was 17 years 11 months old, I signed up for delayed enlistment. 8 months later, 10 Dec 1984, I went on active duty for the US Air Force. I served 5 years, 2 months and 22 days. Just 4 days after separating from active duty, I hired on at Edwards AFB doing the same job (PMEL) only as a civilian. I have worked at Edwards ever since. As of today, I have served our country for 31 years, 6 months, 21 days (yes, I found a date calculator on the internet Calculate duration between two dates).

The point of this verbose discourse is that I've been around the military and retired military for 2/3rds of my life. My father served and his father served. When Memorial day arrived, there has never been another thought than to remember our military and their sacrifice; not for my whole life. Sure, we had the day off school and cooked out, but we still remembered the purpose of the day. I don't know when it was officially made a holiday, but it's at least been around my whole life.

So I find it strange that there are those who don't know what it is or what it's for. Around the air base everyone knows about the military and most know at least one person working for the military. However, I now live in a town that's 50 miles from the base.

At our worship service yesterday the pastor asked people to stand who either served or had family who served so we could honor them. Out of about 400 people (two services) not more than 20 stood. That's a tiny number to me.

If I travel another 40 miles away from the base I meet people who have never even heard of Edwards AFB. I told a car salesman once that I worked at Edwards and he said, "What's that?" To him the Air Force was some distant story that had nothing to do with his life.

This is why I struggle with Memorial day. Because of my proximity to the military, I just expect everyone to have similar familiarity with the military. It's hard for me to come to the realization that there are millions and millions in the US that have had no contact at all with the military.

Currently, about .4% of the US population is on active duty and that number is shrinking. Include veterans and only about 7.5% of the US population has been on active duty. That leaves 295M people who have not served and never will. Now, there are a lot of bases, posts and naval stations around the US so, it's likely that you live within 100 miles of one. Even so, many who live right next to one don't know anything about it or anyone who works there.

Because I see them every day, the work that our military does is routine to me. I have personally worked with hundreds that have been deployed to combat zones and many more who never left the continental US. I understand the sacrifices they have made regardless of where they were stationed or what their job was. Alas, there are so many who have no clue what our military members do or how it affects their lives.

Most on this site either served or have some affiliation with someone who did. Today, while you remember our military, consider talking with someone who doesn't have a clue.
 
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It's just a particular symptom of the ongoing attempts to make ignorance and idolization of the trivial "virtues".

The best you can do is refuse to go along and to not knuckle under to the "stupid is cool" culture.

When some drooling imbecile tells you that the Japanese were the "victims" in WWII or that Stalin's terror famine is a hoax, don't just shrug. Call him a liar, and prove it.

Silence is taken as agreement.
 
Rastoff I share your thoughts. I never served military time chose a career in Law Enforcement. By cousin passed a year ago and was a very proud Vietnam vet. He was 100% DAV and was proud of his tag on his vehicle which showed DAV. He always flew an American flag and suffered with the inadequate care the VA offered.

I went my the cemetery Sunday and placed his flag on the grave then sat under a tree and drank a beer and talked to him. I will never sit with him again on my pond and shoot turtles and tell stories like we did ever weekend. Damn the pain is bad sometimes but I remember his pride in his service time. All my respect to Service men and their family
 
"Mr. President, in our effort to accommodate many Americans by making the last Monday in May, Memorial Day, we have lost sight of the significance of this day to our nation. Instead of using Memorial Day as a time to honor and reflect on the sacrifices made by Americans in combat, many Americans use the day as a celebration of the beginning of summer. My bill would restore Memorial Day to May 30 and authorize our flag to fly at half mast on that day. In addition, this legislation would authorize the President to issue a proclamation designating Memorial Day and Veterans Day as days for prayer and ceremonies honoring American veterans. This legislation would help restore the recognition our veterans deserve for the sacrifices they have made on behalf of our nation." (1999 Congressional Record, page S621)

Senator Daniel Inouye
 
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Rastoff,

Sadly, I must concur with your observations. I taught 10 miles from the national USCG Training Center in Cape May, NJ for 26 years of my 28 year teaching career, and it was pitiful the ignorance of my students and their families. I made sure that of the 2600+ students that sat before me, that they were well aware of the branches of service and the sacrifices the service men endured. I would say less than a hundred of my students enlisted but before each of them deployed, they made a point of visiting my classroom one last time, and they learned the importance of a good Ka-bar that was to never leave their side. I am proud to say, all but one returned home ... he was the last casualty in Beirut.
 
My children went to a small Christian High School in Delaware, Ohio. I believe my oldest was the first to enlist in the service straight from that school. He did delayed entry and took his first oath (which I had the pleasure and honor to witness) on August 8, 1997 and rode off in a green sedan on June 24, 1998.

In October or November of 1998, my second son enlisted in the USMC on delayed entry, and on August 1,1999 rode a different green sedan to begin his journey to Parris Island and beyond.

Between the two of them, they served 11+ years, both doing service in the "war on terror"; one as a Blackhawk mechanic and crew chief in the First Armor Div. for 15 months in Iraq. The other had a three week TDY as communications liaison between the Philippine Air Force and the Third Marine Div. in the Philippines. (He was offered a Philippine AF Lieutenant Commission, but learned as a Lance Corporal in the USMC, he made better wages.)

Delaware Christian High School had that one enlistee in 1998 (with 3 more since 9/11), in 1999 the were 2 Marines and 1 Airman and 3 reservists (and 4 more after 9/11) and every class afterward has had a large percentage of enlistees. These are from a High School that the graduating class average 35 young men and women. The percentages from the 4 public High School Districts in the county are nowhere near as high, and it makes me wonder just what is taught in Civics and Government classes these days. (My Government teacher in 73-74, was a captain in the 82nd Airborne before he taught High School for three years and went back in.)

On Memorial day we remember those that served and those that fell in the line of duty. (The last to fall in our families was in 1918 in France) We also say a prayer of Thanks for this country. God Bless America.
 
Memorial Day is a hard one one me also. It's a day for me to remember the officers and men of the 1st Bn, 327th Inf. That I served with that did not come home. KIA, friendly fire, and accidents all took their toll of good men.
 
I spent 23 years on active duty and 24 years teaching pedestrians to be helicopter pilots for the Army.
I was privileged to command company sized units,some in combat.To those brave,fine young soldiers that I sent out who gave their all and did not survive, everyday is Memorial Day for me. God bless each and every one.You are not forgotten. Scouts Out! Nick
 
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Today, I visited the grave of my former next door neighbor (when I was a boy) with his widow and my wife. Moe Feld served as an Army enlisted man during the Battle of the Bulge in WWII. He was with a tank destroyer outfit, and had seen the elephant for sure.

A Jewish man, he is buried in the Jewish section of Greenwood Memorial cemetery in Phoenix. A sign at the entrance says "No flowers," which is Jewish tradition. I had a Jewish high school classmate check for me if there was any Jewish tradition about flags placed on graves, and he informed me that he checked with the Jewish veterans group, and they informed him there was no prohibition.

Although there were flags placed in profusion throughout the rest of the cemetery in honor of veterans, the Jewish section was bereft of them, although I know there are many veterans buried there. There is now one exception. Moe's grave is decorated with a small American Flag planted in front of his grave marker.

From there, we went to the Arizona Vietnam memorial. I placed red roses beneath the names of three friends who perished in that conflict:

1/Lt Ed Cribb, Army aviator - one of my high school buddies in JROTC. He is buried at the Fort Benning, GA cemetery. Ed was posthumously promoted to Captain.

Maj. Charles (Chuck) Walling - Air Force fighter/bomber pilot. He was listed as missing in action until recently when his remains were found in Vietnam and returned to be buried in Arlington Cemetery. Chuck was a fraternity brother of mine in college.

Maj. Don Brown - U.S. Air force- missing in action. A high school classmate I wish I could have known better during those years.

I met, shook hands and talked with a number of Vietnam vets at the Memorial. Some have obviously not done well since that time.

...and I think "There but for the grace of God go I."

It is said that we should not grieve for the loss of these men, but give thanks to God that they existed. Freedom rests with wreaths of eternal gratitude on their shoulders.

John

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This is why I struggle with Memorial day. Because of my proximity to the military, I just expect everyone to have similar familiarity with the military. It's hard for me to come to the realization that there are millions and millions in the US that have had no contact at all with the military.
It's not really surprising. Everyone knows what the military is and what they do, but only a relatively small percentage have personal contact. It is similar to law enforcement in that respect.

If there is confusion over Memorial Day, it's because it has "evolved" over time:

"Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day, is a day of remembrance for those who have died in service of the United States of America. Over two dozen cities and towns claim to be the birthplace of Memorial Day. While Waterloo N.Y. was officially declared the birthplace of Memorial Day by President Lyndon Johnson in May 1966, it's difficult to prove conclusively the origins of the day.

Regardless of the exact date or location of its origins, one thing is clear – Memorial Day was borne out of the Civil War and a desire to honor our dead. It was officially proclaimed on 5 May 1868 by General John Logan, national commander of the Grand Army of the Republic, in his General Order No. 11."

And of course, similarly related holidays:

"Armistice Day
November 11, formerly observed in the United States in commemoration of the signing of the armistice ending World War I in 1918. Since 1954, it has been incorporated into the observances of Veterans Day."

As for the suggestion:

"Most on this site either served or have some affiliation with someone who did. Today, while you remember our military, consider talking with someone who doesn't have a clue."

I will politely decline and refer to Christ's caveat about how casting pearls before swine usually just end up with an annoyed pig. Arguing with people who don't have a clue is not how I want to spend what little time I have left.
 
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Ignorance of sacrifice is only the tip of the iceberg of Low Information Self-Absorbed people in our society.
 
"Mr. President, in our effort to accommodate many Americans by making the last Monday in May, Memorial Day, we have lost sight of the significance of this day to our nation. Instead of using Memorial Day as a time to honor and reflect on the sacrifices made by Americans in combat, many Americans use the day as a celebration of the beginning of summer. My bill would restore Memorial Day to May 30 and authorize our flag to fly at half mast on that day. In addition, this legislation would authorize the President to issue a proclamation designating Memorial Day and Veterans Day as days for prayer and ceremonies honoring American veterans. This legislation would help restore the recognition our veterans deserve for the sacrifices they have made on behalf of our nation." (1999 Congressional Record, page S621)

Senator Daniel Inouye

Sen Inouye would know, he was a member of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and is a recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was reunited with his buddies in 2012.
 
I refuse to join the ranks of the easily-offended on this one.

I did 8 years in the USAF as a Security Policeman. My DD-214 says I was deployed in support of Operation Desert Storm, but the truth is my Commander knew my wife was pregnant with our first child and (over my sincere protests) sent me to guard planes in Puerto Rico rather than the Middle East. My only combat was in barracks brawls, domestic disasters, NCO club chaos, and DUI dustups. But I have close relatives resting in National Cemetaries who have given "their last full measure".

Today I saw a Facebook post from Kendall Jones, a young lady who loves hunting and often posts pictures of herself with dead animals, causing pages of outraged comments from anti-hunters and spirited defense from hunters. But today young Kendall had the gall to wish everyone a Happy Memorial Day with a photo of her lovely self wrapped in a flag-themed scarf. Not a flag - a scarf.

Now the tables turned. She was pilloried for saying Happy Memorial Day and for draping herself in a flag. (It was a scarf, remember?) All those dead critter defenders turned on her.

Sometimes we just need to get over ourselves. Somebody saying Happy Memorial day means well. So, Happy Memorial Day, friends.
 
Ignorance of sacrifice is only the tip of the iceberg of Low Information Self-Absorbed people in our society.
There's also a sotto voce campaign to deprecate sacrifice and simultaneously portray the aggressors in the war as "victims"

This is primarily focused on portraying the Japanese militarists as the "victims", but there have been sporadic attempts to do the same with the Germans. The latter have been much less frequent or successful, because it would of necessity portray the Soviets as victimizers alongside the Western Allies. While both Japanese ultra-rightwingers and Western ultra-leftwingers push the "Japanese as victims" narrative (with a smattering of Western neo-Nazis), it's almost exclusively neo-Nazis pushing the "Germans as victims" narrative.

While the extensive documentation of the Holocaust and the Nuremberg and Far East trials were intended to forestall these sorts of disinformation campaigns, the combination of the dying off of the participants and the growth of a culture of ignorance and self-loathing have left an opening for those who would murder history as their Nazi and militarist idols murdered human beings.

The ONLY defense against this is to educate ones self and those around us, and to AGGRESSIVELY fight the lies and attempts to defend the indefensible.
 
We were watching a baseball game on TV today and one of the talking heads said "Have a Happy Memorial Day"...yeah I know a couple of posts up someone said they mean well....
There are 58,300 names on the Vietnam Memorial wall who prevent ME from having a "Happy" Memorial Day. Even if they mean well.....
A "respectful" Day, a Solemn Day,,,,,, not sure about a "Happy" Day.

Now Veterans Day,,,, That's different, that's for the living. Have a HAPPY Veterans Day for sure:)
 
We were watching a baseball game on TV today and one of the talking heads said "Have a Happy Memorial Day"...yeah I know a couple of posts up someone said they mean well....
There are 58,300 names on the Vietnam Memorial wall who prevent ME from having a "Happy" Memorial Day. Even if they mean well.....
A "respectful" Day, a Solemn Day,,,,,, not sure about a "Happy" Day.

Now Veterans Day,,,, That's different, that's for the living. Have a HAPPY Veterans Day for sure:)
I draw a distinction between "dumb" and malicious and hateful.

Don't worry. If you look, you'll find plenty of the latter.
 
I posted this comment in a similar thread that apparently didn't have legs. I mean no disrespect. This is how I feel, and I believe I have the standing to feel this way. Everyone mourns in their own manner, and I am not one to call people out about the manner in which they conduct themselves in matters of importance. (Just took the chicken off the grill, watching Heartbreak Ridge, beer still cold and company still welcome. What an awesome day . . . )

I drink beer and grill outside, listening to baseball and watching the war movie marathons on AMC and TCM. In doing so, I honor those who gave their lives that I may act like that. Had I died in service of my country, that's what I would want the living to do . . .
 
"A "respectful" Day, a Solemn Day,,,,,, not sure about a "Happy" Day.

Now Veterans Day,,,, That's different, that's for the living. Have a HAPPY Veterans Day for sure"

Hey, some people mean well even when they don't know what it's about.
Had that said to me several times since I wear one of the caps of ships I served on most of the time or my Retired MCPO cap.
 
This is why I struggle with Memorial day. Because of my proximity to the military, I just expect everyone to have similar familiarity with the military. It's hard for me to come to the realization that there are millions and millions in the US that have had no contact at all with the military.

Believe it, and also believe that a substantial proportion of those millions have no wish to ever have contact with the military.

It's pretty much the same in the UK. Many years ago at a dinner party one of the guests asked a guy who worked in the UK Ministry of Defence how he justified his job. I overheard this and laughed out loud. The questioner was not best pleased and requested I explain myself.

Here's what I told him.

"That's easy, you justified his job by asking the question. You live in a country free enough you can ask. Try that in the Soviet Union and you'll get the 3 AM knock and a trip to the Gulag while your children are removed for reeducation. Try it in a country run by a right wing junta and you will be made to watch your pregnant wife abused before she is killed and you would follow shortly afterwards."

The MoD guy had a straight face problem and the questioner beat it shortly after the encounter. The host later described the guy as a typical hypocrite, public socialist but private capitalist. He worked pulling dodgy deals in the city of London on the backs of those who kept his nation safe. That's special!:rolleyes:
 
Believe it, and also believe that a substantial proportion of those millions have no wish to ever have contact with the military.
What I've found through personal experience is that there's a certain segment of the population which lives a safe, trite life consumed with trivial matters.

In matters of personal and national defense, they're simply incapable of imagining that there are people UTTERLY unlike them and their hipster friends, people who don't solve their differences with catty remarks and shunning. They simply REFUSE to believe that there are people who will solve an argument with a straight razor... or a Panzerarmee. They call people who know better "paranoid" or worse. Of course when they run into a Charles Manson... or a Joachim Peiper, the result is foreordained.
 
I'm Mr. 4F

Just because I didn't serve doesn't mean that I don't greatly appreciate the job that so many have done and often at the cost of their lives. I gravitate toward people that have 'been around' hoping I will soak something up and our vets have 'been around' more than anybody I know. My Dad was in Korea right after WWII, my maternal Grandfather was in France in WWI, my bro was in the Air Force. My FIL was in very nasty business in the Pacific in WWII. Our friend Stan was on Iwo Jima. My old neighbor was a tail gunner with two Purple Hearts, another a B-17 pilot that was shot down. I could keep this up for a good while. Charleston has always been a 'military' town (though much less so now) and I could NEVER forget how important the military is to the history of this country, especially those who gave it all. Sorry so many people are 'stupid cool' nowadays. I may not be cool, but I ain't stupid.
 
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2016 is my second Memorial day without my personal, family connection to WWII and his part in it. Pop survived the war, but sacrificed his youth to serve his country.

Our family has been lucky. Pop, my older brother and I all served. All without causality. Memorial day is a day for sober reflection and to thank God that what could have been wasn't.

Keep those departed in your heart and on your lips. As long as we speak their names and recount their deeds they will not be forgotten.

LTC
 
Times have indeed changed. Growing up in the aftermath of WWII, with every one of my uncles having served during that war, and ironically only my Dad not serving (drafted late in the war and the war ending before he was inducted), all of us boys dreamed of being soldiers. We knew instinctively that it was the soldier (and sailor, and airmen) that saved our nation from the Germans and the Japanese, and saved the world as well. We played "war" not out of any bloodlust but our of patriotism, imagining ourselves having the same diligence, bravery and determination that our older relatives demonstrated just a few years earlier. When I got a bit older I aspired to attend the U.S. Military Academy, but alas, my eyesight disqualified me. But I enrolled in ROTC in college and was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in 1965, then served on active duty until the summer of 1990.

For much of the time that I served we had a draft, and military service and all that went with it, including the understanding that at any time those of us in uniform could be asked to make the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, affected most of the population. Everyone knew someone in the service, or at least someone who served, or at least was at risk of being called to serve. While we may have a better military with the all volunteer concept, a side effect was the virtual separation of the military services from the general community. The decreasing size of our military has meant that even fewer parts of the community have any personal connection to the military services in general. Our military is becoming, to some degree, like the French Foreign Legion; a force under the control of our government but apart and distinct from the rest of the population.

Unless and until we revive the concept of a service obligation as part of growing up with the advantages of being a U.S. citizen, and thus re-integrate the community into the military culture we will continue to see this problem grow and fester.
 
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