I want anther .223 and maybe another 9mm

[Tom_R]

CZ-75b and CZ-85b are the best all around values out there.

I al a big fan of JMB, and have 3 1911s, yet I never got on the Hi-Power bandwagon, and no one in my crew has one, so I have never even held one. We have Glocks, Sigs, Smiths, H&Ks, Kimbers, Colts and Rugers, but no Hi-Powers. Go figure.

Watch, I'll see one in a LGS, and then I'll have to have it.

 

[lrb1200]

Just a recent experience,

A year ago or so.

I had for many years wanted to own
a Browning Hi-Power, but have never been a fan of 9mm.
So it never made it to the top of the priority list.

My other half has come a long way in her learning's of
shooting a revolver, and I decide it's time to get her up to speed with a semi auto.

I reason....semi auto, low recoil 9mm, it's the excuse to grab a
Hi-Power I've been waiting for......for decades!

I am inclined to buy a pristine "Vintage" one, but I soon realize if I do,
I'll be so impressed with the fact that it's made out of unobtainium, it will wind up in the safe, and it will pain me to let her shoot it.

I buy a new one.

I clean it up, lube it, and head off to the range.

The trigger is so horrendous I can't even keep all the rounds on the paper of a 50ft Slow Fire Bullseye Target.

I squeeze, and squeeze, and squeeze harder the trigger creeps and it still doesn't go off. I have no idea how many lbs. of trigger pull and creep I was dealing with, but it wasn't even in the ballpark of 3-4 lbs, with minimal or no travel, which is what all my handguns are.

Take the mag safety out of it, supposed to improve trigger,
yeah, a little, but still not even in the ballpark. Off to a gunsmith
for a not cheap trigger job.

Can I shoot it now, yeah, is it now on par with the triggers in all my other handguns.......not.

I'm keeping it, but it will never be a go to, or favorite.

 

[BJ343]

I've got a sig X-5 9mm and it is the sweetest thing ever... they are expensive but built like tanks will last a lifetime, and accurate..hearing only rave reviews for the 226 Legion has improved trigger...

 

[Marshwheeling]

Yours is not unlike the dilemma I faced when I was looking for a dual sport bike. I had been a road rider for years (mostly BMWs). I had a rat DR650 that made me want a decent dualie. The choice was between a better DR, or a KLR650, very different bikes, but a lot of overlap in function. I found a deal on the KLR first, and bought it. A few years later I picked up the DR650, too.

I saw the CZ first at a time when I had the money. If I had seen the Hi-Power first, I would probably have that. I would still be wanting the CZ, though, just as I still want a Hi-Power. But I would have wanted the CZ more.

 

[Old Corp]

Have a few AR's. They're OK. Just never really went nuts over them like seems to be the norm. When I was working at a couple of different LGS's, got really tired of the expectation that I was to 'speak fluent AR'.
It got to be a little too much for me, talking to people who want to spend an hour waxing eloquent over 'piston vs. direct impingement', 'co-witness sight system', MagPul vs. Noveske accessories, Beta mags, etc.

Know what my favorite .223 is? a 1969 Remington Model 788. Shoots great. Is simple wood (birch probably) and blue steel.

On my second Browning HP, an early 80's model with an aftermarket Millet adjustable rear sight,
I was lucky, removal of the mag safety resulted in a very nice trigger.
It is quite a bit more accurate that my Colt Combat Commander 9mm.

Have fun deciding. It's supposed to be fun.

 

[alwslate]

A 223? Buy a good AR. Hard to go wrong with a Colt, 6920 or the 6720
cheaper light weight if you can find one. Iron sights and a scope, no
problem with the flat top design. The whole scout rifle concept is over
hyped in my opinion. Any good light weight quality hunting rifle with
iron sights if you must have and a quality 1-4X or 1.5-5X scope in .308
is a serious 400 yd rifle. I have two BHPs, a classic blue fixed sight
model bought new in 1977 and a MK III bought in new condition a few
years ago at an estate auction. The old one is beautiful, the MK III,
not so much. The MK III is stronger and shoots smaller groups. If
choosing a full size 9mm to buy there is one model that just stands
head and shoulders above the others for too many reasons to go into
here. The Beretta 92FS. I have three of them, a standard model, a
Centurion and a Centurion DA only made in Italy. The 92FS is like the
old 1911, it's going to be around for a long time.

 

[mr.jbk79]

Can't argue against the Hi Power here. I have a "69C" series that is truly in mint condition. I later acquired its clone, the FEG pjk-9hp. That pjk-9hp shoots as well as the Hi Power, and by far, the most accurate 9mm's I have ever shot. FWIW, my triggers are stock and aren't bad at all imo.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Can always scratch the .223 and 9mm itch simultaneously with the Tavor bullpup with a 9mm kit.

Tavor - IWI US

 

[keninnavarre]

I'd go CZ and ar15. I have had a few Hi Powers, both well used and new and like was mentioned by lrb1200, the triggers left alot to be desired. My CZs are some of my favorite handguns, very accurate and absolutely 100% reliable.
The polished stainless looks pretty good, as well

And the ar15 platform is like transformers for grown ups
I've been fooling around with ar15s for awhile now. They have come a loooong way through the years.
I recently bought 3 stripped lowers and enough parts to put together 2 more rifles and another ar pistol. My Armalite 20" barrel rifle is probably my favorite gun.

 

[M29since14]

Between the CZ and the BHP, I would probably go with the BHP. It's no sweat to remove the mag safety if that worries you, but I don't know why it would.

I agree with others that say the Ruger Scout is better in .308 than in .223. It's a bit heavy for a .223.

You can't go wrong with the S&W AR if you don't already have a nice AR. I would put that at the top of the list - right now. Hard to tell what the future will bring in that area, and it will doubtless be heating up soon... again.

You didn't ask but Browning makes a really nice, lightweight .223 bolt-action (the X-Bolt) with an 8-inch twist barrel, which is very handy for shooting the modern, heavy-bullet .223 loads. Mine has been a great shooter right out of the box with anything I put in it 55-grains and up.

 

[shell627]

For a 556 get a Ar 15.If you want a bolt gun try a mossberg mvp it uses ar mags which are easy to find.For a 9mm hard to beat a BHP but for a reliable workhorse think about a glock 19.Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[model70hunter]

I once had a friend who had an older Hi Power, I was absolutely in love with it except the 9mm thing.

The CZ was pretty inexpensive when it came out and I did buy one, 9mm hole and all. I liked it for what it was and really liked the DA.

Ruger Mini 14's. I've owned 3 or 4. The 1st was a stainless with the factory folder. It and the ones that followed were not very accurate, like minute of coyote at 200 yards if lucky.

I've owned several AR's Match HBAR's, both pre and post ban. If you are just plinking and not packing they are nice.

I'll never own another Mini 14. And one of the gents hit the high dollar nail on the head concerning Ruger Mags. Expensive little pups.

I recently built a 6.5 Grendel on the AR platform. With Hornady factory ammo it tries its level best to put all bullets in the same hole. I am considering building an M 4 type upper to use on that lower. It would be like the old lever 30-30. A light truck, pack anywhere gun that is reliable and accurate.

And if you want to build a hunting round on the AR 15 lower the 6.5 Grendel is a 1000 yard target gun so the writer boys in the gun magazines say. I was not fortunate to bag a deer with my 6.5 G this year but my son killed a super nice 10 pointer and a doe with his 6.5 G.

I bought a bunch of Factory 6.5 G online. My wife was going over bills online said is that Midway place a gun thingy. I said yes dear as she patted her heart while asking about ammo and the 3 digits thing before the period. It is for deer season and the impending zombie apocalypse Dear I replied as I patted my heart. She bought it.

I would take 1 Colt, 6920, over the older Mini 14's even if the argument ended up in the parking lot in fisticuffs that is.

If you are just plinking the Hi Power would be nice, if it is to be a self defense gun the CZ might be better.

 

[BUFF]

.223 bolt guns... I bought a Remington Model 7 in .223 a few years back. Like a shrunk Model 700. Great wandering around gun, light and handy, great trigger.

I put together a Scout on a stainless .308 Model 7 15-20 years ago. There weren't any factory Scouts yet. Some people like the forward mounted, low power scope that defines the Scout according to Cooper, along with size and weight, but many just end up mounting a conventional scope conventionally, so it is really "just" a handy carbine. The Ruger Scout is kind of heavy for a .223, so if I was going after a light, handy .223 carbine, I would look for something other than the Ruger.

Get the one that you like the most.

 

[msinc]

In 223 I would suggest you look at a Larue OBR...in a bolt gun the Kimber Classic Select. English walnut and controlled round feed in a 223...dude, your a lawyer!!!!
Definitely the BHP. I put a C&S no bite hammer and sear in mine and it is the best shooting handgun I own. When it is time to really enjoy shooting a pistol that is always my first choice and if you have never had one it will probably end up being yours too.

 

[max]

Ruger has a new AR out that can be bought very reasonably, under $600. The Brownings are nice, I have 2. I have always liked the looks and have read many good things about the CZ's. I would also recommend a Sig. I have both the 225 and 229. The 225 or military P6 are singles stacks, but they fit my hand so well and are very accurate.

 

[GatorFarmer]

I have had the CZ and I have had a decent BHP, as well as several BHP clones and CZ clones. I would suggest the CZ, but the SP01 model like I recently purchased. The rail adds not only the rail itself, but also the steel area up front. This makes a very nice balance and makes the gun almost seem recoil free. It runs around on any CZ 75 mag but is a natural for factory 18rd and MecGar 19rd. I have 14 mags so far.

This model also comes with very good night sights.

The result is a gun that is probably more durable than a BHP, easier to shoot, and with greater capacity.

For a .223, I would suggest the devil that you know. I would say get one of the new Mini 14s like I did. They are sufficiently improved to be like a new rifle. I suggest the 16" bbl stainless model with flash hider, then add a Socom Accustrut. Put on a straight 20rd mag from CDNN and the result looks like a true smaller M14/M1A. I do not use my remaining AR much in preference to my Mini14.

 

[ROK]

Practical and 77c, both with Craig Spegel grips. The 77c goes to the range every time I shoot. I always find or make time to use it. My favorite shooter. The Practical is nice, but I have not taken the time to remove the mag safety yet. One of these days...

Leather is done by Wes of Privateer Leather. Awesome work and a great product. Can't say enough good things about his holsters.

 

[rags]

I got the M&P15 you're thinking about. No place to mount the hair dryer or pole trimmer, but it's sweet!

 

[Gpsman]

If you don't have one, get a 1911 in 9mm.
In a full size steel 1911 9mm feels like. 22.
Fun fun fun!

 

[delta-419]

CZ75

I acquired a CZ75 back in the day when you could not get one on this side of the "Iron Curtain". It was "LOVE" at first shot. It would do everything a 9mm could do 15 times in a row. Of course it is a copy of the BHP, but reliability is 100%, never a FTF or jam. Balance is everything, I love it and its been with me for 30 years, it doesn't disappoint. My shooter has the old black plastic type coating finish, which is scuffed up a bit, I think its due for a nice blue refinish.
Just got an M&P AR15 for Christmas, ask me what I think in a few weeks!