lonestar outlaw
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I just ignore those opposed to concealed carry
Whats gonna be funny is here in Texas as of 2016 open carry is going to be legal
Whats gonna be funny is here in Texas as of 2016 open carry is going to be legal
I was told that I am part of the problem with guns
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lonestar outlaw
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as far as those opposed to concealed carry its their right just as it is our legal right to carry concealed
I would remind people who oppose the ownership of firearms that the fact that I am allowed to carry a firearm gives them the ability to disagree. Without the Second Amendment, the First Amendment would be an empty statement. Also, the Second Amendment defines the meaning of Right. A Right cannot exist without a Responsibility. The first part of the Second Amendment states a Responsibility while the second part states the Right. Also, remember that government cannot give "Rights to individuals" since the government is defined as a servant of the people and a servant cannot give Rights to their master, i.e. the citizen.
Two very long term friends who also carry know I do, mostly because we shoot together. Otherwise, I tell no one. My wife, who tolerates my guns but doesn't like them, probably wouldn't know either, except that she opened my mail when the permit arrived from the county sheriff's office. In my lifetime, I've been mugged twice and beaten, burgled a number of times, looking the burglar in the eye at 8-10 feet on one occasion. I'll never be a helpless victim again, even if it means being asked to leave an establishment or leaving a 'friend's' house.
"Concealed" is the operative word here.
"Concealed" is the operative word here.
Badge 531
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This makes no sense. Don't you mean "I wouldn't go into a movie theater without my CCW"?
I'm a retired peace officer and I would be the first to tell you that "when seconds count the police are only minutes away." I've carried a gun everyday for over 50 years. Like an American Express Card I never leave home without one. Nobody can foretell the future. Neither you nor I can know when the SWHTF. I even carry at church. Churches have become killing fields in the past several years. In 2013 there 59 murders in churches or on church property. If you have a license to carry a handgun, CARRY IT AT ALL TIMES. Stay out of businesses that don't want your gun on their premises. In fact you can order some business cards that read "no gun = no money''
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My wife (who has her own CWP) has been with me a dozen years. She has never seen me unholster a weapon except at the range or home. She knows when I'm armed and when I'm not. Early in our relationship she asked "What should I do if you pull your pistol?" "Dive behind hard cover." Joe
Guero
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The decision to carry concealed or not to carry at all has to be made on a great deal of input information. Where do I go? is there a real threat? How willing am I to confront the real threat? In other words it is a personal decision that must be made on the best information available to you at the time. Once that decision is made it is constantly re-evaluated in light on new information. No situation is static and remains the same hour after hour, or year after year as changes occur.
If you have made your decision based on the best information you have, other peoples subjective information plays a very small role in your actions. In other words, general comments about paranoia, fear or wanting to be part of a trend have no place in the argument.
You made the decision, continue with it until new data tells you otherwise.
If you have made your decision based on the best information you have, other peoples subjective information plays a very small role in your actions. In other words, general comments about paranoia, fear or wanting to be part of a trend have no place in the argument.
You made the decision, continue with it until new data tells you otherwise.
gmiller0737
Member
I don't tell folks I am carrying it's really none of their business.
By that guy's reasoning, cops should never leave the station, because they're so paranoid that they carry a gun with them wherever they go. (SMH)
We have always lived in a dangerous world. No amount of liberal, touchy-feely, bunnies and unicorns will change that. To be unarmed is to be unable to protect yourself. To be unable to protect yourself is to be an easy victim.
I don't care what socialists think about gun owners. Nothing will change their minds. They suffer from an incurable mental illness that makes them a danger to themselves and to others.
No amount of pandering to them will make them like us.
I'd continue carrying, if I were you.
I'd rather be alive, than popular.
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I don't know if you're part of the problem with guns in general but you're certainly part of the problem with these people.
If you don't want random people to know your business don't discuss it around them.
The older I get the less inclined I am to engage in debate with people I don't like, it's pointless and accomplishes nothing but getting everyone involved riled up.
I would either stop having the discussion or I'd stop associating with them.
Alk8944
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A couple have touched this, but I will reiterate, concealed means concealed! It also means to keep your mouth shut and don't tell everyone** in sight that you carry, it's none of their business on every level you can think of! Sounds like it's too late and you have already "Let the cat out of the bag". If you hadn't told them they wouldn't have known.
** This includes other gun owners and CCW holders, (and your wife!) unless there is some reason for them to know, and you know you can trust them to keep their mouths shut!
** This includes other gun owners and CCW holders, (and your wife!) unless there is some reason for them to know, and you know you can trust them to keep their mouths shut!
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Well I think part of my problem would be, that I actually think it's an honor to be able to carry concealed, and I am happy that at this age I still meet the qualifications to do so. But yall have valid points, and I should not let them know.
I enjoy talking about my new hobby with others who do the same.
I enjoy talking about my new hobby with others who do the same.
I too am a retired Police Officer, I have carried for about 30 years concealed as well as open, when on duty. My family knows I carry all the time and just about no one else. The primary reason I carry is to defend me and mine. Be safe and take the time to practice with your concealed defensive firearm of your choice. Remember that concealed means just that. I would profess that it is not your duty to notify your friends that you are packing, but it seems that most new concealed carry people like to let others know about their choice NOT to be a victim. I prefer to remain under the radar. I want to be forgettable and unnoticed, but that is just me. Be safe and realize this choice you have made is one fraught with many twists and turns, be safe and be aware.
CC discussions are like the soap operas. If you say anything, there is always someone just around the wall who hears, and tells the wrong people what was said. Speak not of it, lest it show up 30 episodes later in your life, and always at the wrong moment.
Yup, that is definitely part of your problem.
How's that workin' out for you?
In the past 6 months or so there have been two threads started by people that decided to start conversations about guns with people they didn't know and neither conversation ended well.
In one the OP starts a conversation with a salesman in his office who clearly doesn't know a whole lot about guns and at some point in the conversation the salesman asks him "Are you carrying a gun now?" (Because gee no one saw that coming) and when the OP doesn't say "No" fast enough the salesman correctly concludes that the OP is carrying a gun.
In the second the OP starts talking guns with some half drunk person he met in a bar and tells this random stranger that he is armed( yeah, because that couldn't go wrong). The random stranger then proceeds to start a fight and ask the OP if he can borrow his gun to settle the score (Again, did not see that coming).
People I don't know well don't need to know the details of my life; there just isn't any reason for it. My experience has been that the less most people know about me the better off I am. As for friends I've mentioned previously that I've had some really bad experiences that were directly related to telling a "friend" who really wasn't a gun guy that I had a permit. He then proceeded to share my business with a bunch of people I don't know.
If I can keep that kind of hassle out of my life by simply keeping my mouth shut I'm all for it.
There are very few people I'll talk guns with in the real world, most of the time if I want to talk guns I come here. I don't give strangers any reason to assume I might be armed. I don't start conversations about guns at work and if people around me do I don't participate.
D you realize white font is much easier to read than blue?
ColbyBruce
Member
To the OP, I see what your real problem is. You are only carrying one gun. You need a second one.
You never know
Cal44
Member
In my opinion, collecting is a hobby, hunting is a hobby, reloading is a hobby, and target shooting is a hobby.
But carrying a weapon isn't a hobby.
It's about defending yourself and your family is not a hobby. It's serious business.
Keeping the element of surprise is critical. Stay under the radar.
I would try to point the conversation towards something else. If they were to continue be jerks I would get away from them. Also, If I couldn't tell my wife I have a CCW then I wouldn't be married to her. But opinions may be different.
wx7b
Member
Liberals are like alcoholics, they only see the light when they hit the wall of life. So are most when they are mugged or robbed, then they become gun owning converts. Pure hypocrites.
Doug M.
Member
The fewer people with whom you discuss firearms, the fewer IQ points you will lose. That doesn't even include the risk that these idiots present to you because they might say something at the wrong time, or skyline you in some circumstances in which being undetected and discreet is important.
Most of my friends are from backgrounds that mean we are all armed almost all the time; it is just assumed. My wife knows I am armed at all times. Most of my family does not know. Some of the people at work would assume it; some would not know. The rest of the world can FOAD.
Most of my friends are from backgrounds that mean we are all armed almost all the time; it is just assumed. My wife knows I am armed at all times. Most of my family does not know. Some of the people at work would assume it; some would not know. The rest of the world can FOAD.
My wife and I took the class together so that's a moot point but I agree with the intent of your post
silentflyer
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So how is a law abiding citizen who has been vetted by the local police department in the area where you live a problem? Does your "friend" think the tugs have been given a permit by the local judge, sheriff or whom ever you have to be approved by?
I would "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"....
I would "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"....
Naw....
Just friends that can think for themselves and are open to other peoples ideas.
Just friends that can think for themselves and are open to other peoples ideas.
I feel a movie theater is a high risk venue and one of the few places I need to carry. It is going to be harder if they start using metal detectors. The parking lots of these places at night is also high risk area.
pittpa
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Those parking lots will be higher risk if they use metal detectors in the theaters. We know a metal detector won't stop determined bad guys. Who's going to protect the guy manning the metal detector?
My sister-in-law asked me, "you wouldn't carry in a restaurant, would you?" (It's legal here). She's a retired teacher. I suggested she ask Richard Baumhammers' victims about that. He drove past my office twice on a killing spree, on his way to paralyze one Indian grocery store employee (who later died) and kill a customer, shoot up two synagogues, kill two employee at an Asian restaurant in front of customers, and kill a karate student. While that was a racial killing spree, there was apparently nobody of any color in a position to stop him until he crossed paths with the police. Nobody in my office was armed, if they were following company policy.
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