I was told that I am part of the problem with guns

I had become lax about carrying. Meanwhile I was getting on in years. My abilities with brute strength and with martial arts has gradually eroded.

Two Sundays ago, at church, two middle eastern men, one carrying a Koran, came in and seated themselves just to the left of my wife. There is a nest of them just across the interstate, thanks to our good hearted politicians. As best as I could tell, they were not armed, but never again.

Last Sunday I was armed, and I will be from now on. Our church has always been gun friendly, the senior pastor being the chief proponent. I'm trying to get back into the habit at least with an airweight J-frame in my pocket. I suddenly realize that I'm too old to fight. I need an equalizer.

Jack
 
madracr07 said:
My wife is the one who bought me my pistol for Christmas. We went to the range for our anniversary in January, and had my birthday at the range in March. She is the one who encouraged me to get my CHL. She is going to get hers, but she isn't in a hurry.
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I love my wife and we have a great relationship.

But she can't keep a secret to save her life.

If I told her I had a CHL and carry, all my family and friends would know within two weeks. Then I'd have the OP's problem big time.

Add to that she has very poor hearing and consequently doesn't realize how loud she talks.

I can just see us enter a restaurant and her asking me (in a voice everyone in the place can here):

"Do you have your gun on you, or can we sit in the bar tonight?"
 
daddy bear said:
I had become lax about carrying. Meanwhile I was getting on in years. My abilities with brute strength and with martial arts has gradually eroded.

Two Sundays ago, at church, two middle eastern men, one carrying a Koran, came in and seated themselves just to the left of my wife. There is a nest of them just across the interstate, thanks to our good hearted politicians. As best as I could tell, they were not armed, but never again.

Last Sunday I was armed, and I will be from now on. Our church has always been gun friendly, the senior pastor being the chief proponent. I'm trying to get back into the habit at least with an airweight J-frame in my pocket. I suddenly realize that I'm too old to fight. I need an equalizer.

Jack
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I work 3 blocks from a mosque, and mother of the houses around are owned by them. On Fridays you can not leave on time because they have all the streets all and parking lots full. Officers have to direct them across the streets at the lights. I have been amazed that some dummy has not plowed through.
I am glad they havent.
 
John R said:
I dropped my crystal ball and it broke, now I have to carry my gun everywhere I go. :D

And to answer the question, YES, move theaters are a dangerous places now a days.
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Any place that is a well known gun free zone is a dangerous place. Sine there has been at least a couple theater shootings now, there are always copy cats out there.
 
bopilar said:
I would try to point the conversation towards something else. If they were to continue be jerks I would get away from them. Also, If I couldn't tell my wife I have a CCW then I wouldn't be married to her. But opinions may be different.
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.I get your point, but the advantage to not telling her is a good one. If she doesn't out you, no one will.

Took my wife years. LOL.
 
dougb1946 said:
And again, lots of liberals own guns. The vast majority of people are a combination of liberal and conservative. Anti-gunners are anti-gunners and come from all walks of life Better advice would be 1) concealed is concealed, and 2) make new friends at the LGS or range. There is no evidence that the OP was talking to a liberal. He was talking to a jerk, and jerks can usually be ignored and avoided.
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I love the ones who own guns but feel others shouldn't. The other ones I just love to hear from are the ones who say they are strong supporters of the Second Amendment and hunting. Because we all know the Second Amendment is all about hunting...
 
Practice, practice, practice, more practice. Know that one gun completely. Be the best you can be with it. Know that gun better than your wife. At the range practice target acquisition. Get really good at it. Try multiple target acquisition too multiple bulleyes.

I took my 338wm, after benchrested with two bullets throughout the same hole at 100yds. I stood up hand held at four bullseyes rapid fire as fast as I could run the bolt and the target acquisition I was 1" from each x ring.

Know your weapon. Get good with your weapon your families life may depend on it. Nowadays no place is safe.
 
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Only small fraction of the population see a need to carry a gun. For example in Texas a mere 3% of adults have a carry permit. And my guess is that a lot of those don't carry much if at all. But hey, about 20% feel the need to put a burning stick of tobacco in their face and suck on it. Go figure, right? Plenty of guys at the Club got a carry permit over the years just so they knew it would't be a problem toting guns in the car going to and from the Club or to keep one in the glovebox. No interest whatsoever to carry.

I'm not the least bit interested in trying to explain myself to someone with such an attitude as the OP describes. I understand that even well grounded folks, including tons of intelligent and thoughtful gun owners, simply see no reason to carry a gun. Don't care.
 
Ultimately I'd avoid the guy. If the other friend invites you to an event and the guy you're arguing with is going to be there tell the first guy you can't make it.

I don't associate with people I don't like unless I have to
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Only small fraction of the population see a need to carry a gun. For example in Texas a mere 3% of adults have a carry permit. And my guess is that a lot of those don't carry much if at all. But hey, about 20% feel the need to put a burning stick of tobacco in their face and suck on it. Go figure, right? Plenty of guys at the Club got a carry permit over the years just so they knew it would't be a problem toting guns in the car going to and from the Club or to keep one in the glovebox. No interest whatsoever to carry.
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Phil, I haven't checked the statistics in quite some time. But it may be more than 3% of the population of TX now. Every time Obama gets on his high horse about gun control they get a lot more CHL apps than they can handle. We did a class at our church on 4-18-15 and most did not get their licenses until July. Out of 31 students there is one who still won't carry. DPS says 40% of licensees do not carry all the time, but he's the first who won't carry at all.
 
BAM-BAM said:
Forget which States...... but only a handful of States have issued concealed carry "permits" to more than 5% of their population...... I think the highest is in the 8-9% range.
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Right. The numbers are a small fraction of the population. Tennessee is around 9% which is among the highest in the nation. Still, I bet half don't carry hardly at all. Tennessee has now made legal having a loaded handgun in the car without a HCP. I wouldn't be surprised to see that percentage drift downward.

Here is data by state, total numbers and ranked by percentage. Most of the data looks to be for 2013 and 2014. Like Badge531 says the numbers are probably a bit higher today. Still, a small fraction.

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...y-Permit-Holders-Across-the-United-States.pdf
 
As others have said, just don't talk about the fact you carry around people you don't really, really know and even then not a lot.

As for the guy being a "liberal" I can't say if he is, but know several liberal's who own and carry guns. I also know several conservatives who don't own or carry because "no one needs a gun except cops and criminals". :rolleyes:;)
 
Never pass up a perfectly good opportunity to keep your mouth shut. Discussions with strangers about your gun ownership and concealed carry practices are one such opportunity.
 
I don't bother with movies anymore, not because of any danger, but because of all the adds and they are so damn LOUD. When it hurts your ears you aren't having fun. Besides movies come out on dvd or other venues so soon it doesn't matter anymore.
 
This whole debate of who does and does not know if you carry concealed or not reminds me of the 1992 presidential campaign when MTV asked Bill Clinton the big question . . . boxers or briefs?

My answer: outside of my wife, it's no one's business.
 
Faulkner said:
This whole debate of who does and does not know if you carry concealed or not reminds me of the 1992 presidential campaign when MTV asked Bill Clinton the big question . . . boxers or briefs?

My answer: outside of my wife, it's no one's business.
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Believe me, I don't want to know about your boxers. Or briefs. ;)
 
I found what I consider a good thing, since I have started with this concealed and shooting thing. I have plenty of people and more to come who since I purchased my firearm, have bought them one. My 72 year old aunt is even want to start shopping for one for home defense. My bro in law (paralegal), my sister ( teacher), her youngest daughter who is a single mother, and just moved out on her own, my wife,best friend from high school(trucker), my boss( transportation director). 3 of my racing buddies. So I hope that makes some of me talking about my stuff better.
 
OKFC05 said:
And they need to know that you carry, why?

CONCEALED carry and useful discretion save listening to a lot of unwanted static.
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Agreed Very few folks on this planet know that I Carry. I like the don't ask don't tell
 
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Nobody on this planet knows I carry except for the folks who wrote "good moral character" letters needed for my CCW, my wife, and one of my 6 siblings - who also carries. I kind of like it that way. As said before, concealed means concealed.
 
madracr07 said:
Well one of these type people has told me that I am stupid for carrying my gun into the movie theater when we go. They said that I am too paranoid, and will cause more harm than help if I should have to use my weapon.
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Apparently, this individual has never heard the name "James Holmes". But then ignorance is the lifeblood of anti-gun nuttery.

madracr07 said:
Also told that if I am paranoid enough that I can't leave my house without carrying, then I should stay home.
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Tell them to memorize the following:
  1. Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
  2. Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
  3. 1 and 2 above are moot anyway, because police have no physical ability to protect individuals to whom they're not assigned as bodyguards. They drive police cars, not TARDISes. They can't keep doing it over until they get there in time.
 
I would avoid any conversation with this person, but if it is unavoidable and he brings up the paranoid argument ask him if he keeps his smoke detectors in operable order in his house or apartment. If he does tell him he's even more paranoid that you because statistically you are over 5 times more likely to be murdered during an assault than you are to die in a house fire.

For some reason most anti-gun folks view keeping firearm and smoke detectors for protection as reasonable precautions but keeping firearms for personal protection is just plain paranoid.
 
A quick note about the new breed of Saul Alinsky Liberals (insert socialist, facist, etc.): It's not enough for you to listen to their point of view, moreover, it's not enough for you to be cooperative, You have to BELIEVE their point of view and teachings for them to accept you.

Our country has degraded to the point where governments (state and local) are taking up the mantle against bakers, or whomever disagrees with them about (insert cause here).

Truly sickening how the First Amendment is being subverted to their cause.
 
gtoppcop said:
A quick note about the new breed of Saul Alinsky Liberals (insert socialist, facist, etc.): It's not enough for you to listen to their point of view, moreover, it's not enough for you to be cooperative, You have to BELIEVE their point of view and teachings for them to accept you.
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That's why I derive so much amusement from simply telling them "no". They just come unglued, and that gives me so much to work with! :D
 
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