I wonder how many will truthfully say....

[Red Rover]

 

[boomstick]

We have had cops, yes COPS, have numerous accidents in TN with Glocks since they started carrying them.

You've had cops have numerous accidents with a gun? Any cop with numerous gun accidents should be fired.

I IS possible to put a heavier trigger in a Glock for those who need that type of "insurance". It's not the design of the gun that's the problem. Frankly, if you can't safely handle and carry a Glock, you shouldn't be carrying ANY gun. Cop or not.

 

[ThirtyAcres]

Originally posted by MattB:
People always trash Glocks for their trigger systems, but never seem to mention the M&P, Springfield XD, Walther P99QA, Sig DAK pistols...need I continue?

I use a Springfield XD-45 for my "bump in the night" gun.

I think the grip safety adds a second layer of protection against ND's.

Especially the ND caused by snagging of the trigger by a foreign object.

We had a local LEO blow up a toilet at Waffle House with his Glock while he was pulling up his pants.

Could have been worse.

He swears something snagged the trigger.

 

[boomstick]

He swears something snagged the trigger.

What could have snagged the trigger in bathroom stall....what could it be......toilet paper roll...finger......tree limb....finger....Squirrel...bird.....ground hog.....Was he carrying a holster with an exposed trigger area? Probably not a good idea with a Glock....

 

[gregintenn]

Frankly, if you can't safely handle and carry a Glock, you shouldn't be carrying ANY gun. Cop or not.

You can't argue with the truth!!!

 

[G-ManBart]

Hadn't heard about that one....if it really happened, it was a while ago. R,

Originally posted by jeffrey:
The one I heard about in Northern New Mexico involved a cop (an administrator and not a "street cop") who shot himself in the leg when he got his finger caught in the trigger guard while reholstering his gun. I heard that this occurred when that dep't had just moved to Glocks from revolvers and he was practicing his quick draw in front of a men's room mirror.

 

[keggius]

I've been carrying a Glock for 12 years and it has never gone off unless I wanted it to (knocking on wood as we speak).
In the mid 90s when I was on patrol one of our officers went to assist some officers from a neighboring jurisdiction who were having some problems with a guy in a car. One of the officers had his Glock in one hand while he was trying to pull the guy out of the car with his other hand(stupid). I'm sure y'all can guess how that ended up but in case you can't - the guy that wouldn't get out of the car lived but he was hurt pretty bad, and he did end up getting out of the car.
On the other hand, a good friend worked for a well known county in very far West Texas in the early 1970s. He said the baseboard along the wall in the area where you have to stow your gun before going into the jail was riddled with bullet holes. I'm pretty sure none of them were put there by Glocks. If I remember right, patrol officers carried .38 revolvers and detectives could carry .45 Autos.

 

[whw]

A friend of mine shot himself with a Glock 23. It was completely his fault.

A friend of his stopped by his house to possibly purchase the Glock in question. The owner removed the magazine and cleared the weapon. While the potential buyer examined the gun, the owner left the room briefly. During that time, the buyer inserted the mag and chambered a round. The owner took the gun and pulled the trigger.

The .40 cal bullet entered just above his knee and exited his ankle. It then penetrated the external wall of his house, traversed his neighbor's yard and lodged in the transmission of a car sitting the driveway.

He will carry the damage from that injury for the rest of his life, and it would have happened regardless of the gun manufacturer.

Poor gun handling practices are at the root of the problem.

whw

 

[wjh2657]

As a veteran of 30 years active duty in the USMC, I have been present at several NDs. All were with the 1911. The model 1911 is a very good gun in the hands of a trained gunsel, but it is very,very dangerous in the hands of a new shooter or careless person. I put the Glock in the same class. the gun is designed to be safe but leaves itself open to careless abuse. I have a G23 and love it, but I also stay very cautious when handling it. As long as I respect how it works, I won't have an ND, whether 1911 or G23.

BTW they are NDs not ADs. An AD would occur with an unloaded weapon completely away from human hands! Loading the weapon is a deliberate human act and starts the chain of human responsibility and now qualifies it to be an ND!.

 

[REDTAIL]

I saw an intreasting series on CSI NY last night (short story) the woman cop had a stalker boy friend and he beat her up in her apt she went for her glock 19 and he kicked it out of her hand and grabbed the gun pointed at her and pulled the trigger and click did not fire she got the gun away from him pointed it at him and click did not fire she cocked the slide and boom boom she defended her self & killed him my thinking was if she carried with one in the chamber she would of been dead when he first got his hands on the gun I know it was only a tv show but it makes you think about carring one in the pipe

 

[keggius]

If he had already pulled the trigger why did it click when she pulled the trigger?

 

[walkin' trails]

I've been carrying Glocks for over 20 years and have so far never had one with a Glock. Won't comment about other guns I've had over the years....

A wise shooter once told me that its not a matter of if you'll ever have an AD, its just a matter of when. Keep that in mind every time you handle a gun and maybe you'll arrive at a ripe old age without one.

 

[jsd30]

Unfortunately a shooter at our local range was killed in the parking lot while placing his 9mm Glock, loaded, into the old style plastic box that had the protrusion that went through the trigger guard, causing the gun to fire.

 

[wjh2657]

Originally posted by jsd30:
Unfortunately a shooter at our local range was killed in the parking lot while placing his 9mm Glock, loaded, into the old style plastic box that had the protrusion that went through the trigger guard, causing the gun to fire.

A tragedy and I do not want to make less of it. But what was he doing putting a loaded weapon into a storage box (purpose of Plastic Box.) I unload my EDC before putting it into my trunk safe. A loaded pistol goes into a holster or is pointed downrange for firing. This again is a Negligent Discharge (ND) not an Accidental Discharge (AD) because a human loaded the gun and then did something unsafe with it. An unloaded Glock is just as safe any other unloaded gun! (Not particularly a Glock fan- wheel gunner, but truth is truth!)

 

[Thunderhawk88]

I like a long, heavy revolver-type trigger. I'm more concerned with my carry guns being of a type that I can live with, more than being easy to shoot well and fast on the range. Glocks just don't have enough "fudge factor" to make me comfortable. YMMV

That says it perfectly for me. I love shooting my Glock 19, but it is reserved for the range and out in the desert. That's why I carry my S&W9VE most of the time.

 

[Haku]

You mean like this

Accidental Discharge DEA

 

[Deltaboy]

So far I have only heard about them in the News at the coffee shop and online gun forums.

 

[Pasifikawv]

Originally posted by norfdet:
I've never seen a "accidental" discharge but I have seen a few "negligent" discharges.

Bravo.

When speaking of unintentional discharges, it is proper to distinguish between accidental and negligent discharges as norfdet does here.

The untrained and irresponsible may experience/cause negligent discharges regardless of the type of firearm.

A responsible, trained, and well practiced owner should never expereince a negligent discharge and he/she will always handle the firearm so as to minimize risk in the unlikely event of an accidental discharge.

The Glock, like all firearms, is only as safe, secure and reliable as the hands that hold it.

 

[glypnir]

Originally posted by REDTAIL:
I saw an intreasting series on CSI NY last night (short story) the woman cop had a stalker boy friend and he beat her up in her apt she went for her glock 19 and he kicked it out of her hand and grabbed the gun pointed at her and pulled the trigger and click did not fire she got the gun away from him pointed it at him and click did not fire she cocked the slide and boom boom she defended her self & killed him my thinking was if she carried with one in the chamber she would of been dead when he first got his hands on the gun I know it was only a tv show but it makes you think about carring one in the pipe

Let me drift the thread a bit, and then get back on topic. Mas Ayoob, in one of his books cites at least on case of a policeman who is unconscious on the ground, and the bad guy tries to shoot him with his gun, - doesn't work. Works the slide, tries to turn the safety off, still doesn't work - throws pistol at cop, runs off.

What happened? Well, it was one of those metal S&W semi-autos, where the safety/decocker whatever is backwards from the one on a 1911. Bad guy knew how to operate a 1911, but not a Smith.

I agree with both sides - a Glock isn't likely to go off unless you pull the trigger, but the DA trigger pull on a revolver has more force for longer so you get some more warning that you are about to be a stupid statistic.

It's not a big deal to me either way. And, yes, the S&W M&P semiauto trigger is about the same as the Glock. Although mine may still have that grindy feel to the trigger.

My only ND so far was at my NRA Basic Pistol course, which I took out in the country, with a wraparound berm. It was a .22 semi-auto, it was cocked, and the bullet went into the berm. Put my finger on the trigger before I pointed it at the target.

If you cock and unlock, it's a whole lot more sensitive than a Glock.

But it still won't go off unless you pull the trigger. Or in some cases, breathe hard on the trigger.

Right?

 

[Titan]

I sure would like to see (but never will) real data on AD/NDs by gun make and model.

Without that, I doubt this debate will ever be settled.
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