If Striker Fired Pistols Are Inherrently Less Safe What Makes Them So?

[spydermanDan]

All guns

Proper safe handling is key to enjoying any. firearm what ever the make. In a good holster for concealed carry finger off trigger is key until on target . This applies to my little group - Colt mustang plus II .380, S/W 3913 9mms, Sig P320sc 9mms. Never a AD and just plain delight to shoot. The Sig is my 1st striker and smooth as silk trigger + reset

 

[Brasky]

The thing that makes Glocks inherently less safe than other guns is that in order to take them down the first thing one does is pull the trigger so that the slide can be disengaged. Yes, I know. Safety first and always check to make sure the firearm is empty to avoid problems. But the Glock leads all firearms used by LE as the number 1 offender in unintentional discharges for exactly that reason. Also there have been deaths involved during training for that very problem. Regardless of the rule, there will always be people who don't follow it and the manner of dismount of the slide is the problem.

Anyone who disassembles a firearm without a safety check should not own a firearm, regardless of whether it is a Glock or other

 

[DD357]

I don't care how much training one has, how much experience, how they never have made a mistake at the range etc. Every single last one of us in a high stress situation is capable of making a mistake. Not one person on this planet is perfect. The video in an earlier post explains that very well; they are also right that some will never accept that.

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

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[OK Hog Shooter]

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[Smoke]

I don't care how much training one has, how much experience, how they never have made a mistake at the range etc. Every single last one of us in a high stress situation is capable of making a mistake. Not one person on this planet is perfect. The video in an earlier post explains that very well; they are also right that some will never accept that.

You realize this applies to flipping the safety off a 1911 right?

 

[ContinentalOp]

You realize this applies to flipping the safety off a 1911 right?

Of course it applies to the 1911 safety. What's your point?

 

[Rastoff]

I've never not flipped the safety off of a 1911.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I've never not flipped the safety off of a 1911.

Neither have I, and that's using 1911s with the standard Colt thumb safety. That doesn't mean it can't happen, particularly under high stress.

Yes, there are many who fit your category. However, the implication is that since you've not made a mistake in the past, you won't make a mistake in the future. Past performance doesn't guarantee future success.

 

[Rastoff]

Yeah, I posted that just for Smoke's benefit.

 

[DD357]

You realize this applies to flipping the safety off a 1911 right?

Yep; I have a BHP and a 1911 and they are now range guns for me.

 

[dlombard]

All this is pointless in California. If you want a semiautomatic Smith & Wesson in California, you may only purchase their striker-fire guns. Our only option for hammer-fire guns is some other manufacturer, like a Beretta M9/92F.

 

[reppans]

I don't believe striker-fired guns are necessarily less safe, but I think the margin for error is smaller with striker-fired guns than something like a DA/SA (at least initially) or DAO guns because they typically have lighter, shorter trigger pulls.



I'll have to see if I can find the source, but I remember reading about a study done where police officers, who were trained to keep their fingers off their triggers until going to fire, were observed during stress training and many put their fingers on the trigger without realizing it. IIRC, they were shown videos of their performance afterwards.



Of course, the same issues apply to DA/SA guns that haven't been decocked or SA guns with the manual safety left off. Not unsafe in and of itself, but the margin for error is smaller.

1911: Unsuitable for Self-Defense? - The Truth About Guns

 

[ContinentalOp]

1911: Unsuitable for Self-Defense? - The Truth About Guns

Thanks. That was the article I was referencing.

 

[DD357]

1911: Unsuitable for Self-Defense? - The Truth About Guns

Good article.

 

[Mister X]

I think this video offers a decent perspective on the issue, particularly the part starting at 2:25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP8F_cwotM8

The following quote is Chucks Haggard's response(on another forum) to this video that I thought worthy of sharing...

"The thoughts stated in the LG bit are very similar to those verbalized or written about by Mas Ayoob and Claude Werner.

Defensive handguns are less shooting tools than they are threat management tools. Nyeti and I have talked on this forum several times about the numbers of bad guys we've had at the end of a muzzle, a DA trigger makes that a little less hinky in my mind. When I switched from a revolver to a S&W 5906 I really didn't think much about the trigger system, was easy to manage the transition. When I switched from the 5906 to Glocks I really thought about what I was doing and how I was doing it.

As of now all of my serious pistols are S&W J frames and Glock 9mms. If there was a DAO or DA/SA handgun that was as sweat resistant as the Glock, or remotely as easy to service, I'd be all over it as a carry piece. A G17 with a NY1 trigger is my current duty gun, add a Gadget and a Keepers' holster and it's most likely going to be my main CCW gun for the rest of my life."

 

[Practical]

It has NOTHING to do with it being a striker fired pistol.

It has everything to do with trigger weight and manual of arms and training of the user.

NYC has striker fired pistols with over 12 lb trigger pull what is it 19lbs???

The Striker fire system is NOT the issue.

 

[Arik]

It has NOTHING to do with it being a striker fired pistol.

It has everything to do with trigger weight and manual of arms and training of the user.

NYC has striker fired pistols with over 12 lb trigger pull what is it 19lbs???

The Striker fire system is NOT the issue.

NYC is 8 - 10lbs

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[BB57]

The following quote is Chucks Haggard's response(on another forum) to this video that I thought worthy of sharing...

"The thoughts stated in the LG bit are very similar to those verbalized or written about by Mas Ayoob and Claude Werner.

Defensive handguns are less shooting tools than they are threat management tools. Nyeti and I have talked on this forum several times about the numbers of bad guys we've had at the end of a muzzle, a DA trigger makes that a little less hinky in my mind. When I switched from a revolver to a S&W 5906 I really didn't think much about the trigger system, was easy to manage the transition. When I switched from the 5906 to Glocks I really thought about what I was doing and how I was doing it.

As of now all of my serious pistols are S&W J frames and Glock 9mms. If there was a DAO or DA/SA handgun that was as sweat resistant as the Glock, or remotely as easy to service, I'd be all over it as a carry piece. A G17 with a NY1 trigger is my current duty gun, add a Gadget and a Keepers' holster and it's most likely going to be my main CCW gun for the rest of my life."

He needs to think beyond just polymer and stainless steel.

I carried a Mk III FN Hi Power for almost a decade with FN's baked on epoxy finish, and I carried a CZ 75 Compact for a few several years with a very similar baked on epoxy. I found the epoxy finished pistols to be extremely sweat resistant and easy to service. Literally years of IWB carry in hot climates with zero rust or maintenance issues, and the finish proved to be exceptionally durable.

 

[cmort666]

I have never pulled the trigger on a gun while dry firing without carefully inspecting the chamber

The ONE ND I've had came from that, and I started with an EMPTY chamber.

If you're not paying attention, you can have an ND with ANY firearm, be it a Glock or a wheellock.