Illinois' Ban on Concealed Carry Has Been Ruled Unconstitutional

[hsguy]

If they would allow CC in Chicago, murders and crime would drop by 35-40%.

I am elated to hear that there is now a good possibility we will enjoy CC in Illinois. I doubt though that the firearm murder rate in Chicago will be reduced significantly. The most recent statistics I heard that related to shootings in the city of Chicago was that 90% of the shooters and 75% of those shot had criminal records and were precluded from owning firearms. Also, 25% of the shootings were committed by a single gang engaged in internecine over control of the gang.

The real reduction in crime will probably be among those who are now defenseless against assaults, muggings etc.. Good news indeed for the law-abiding citizens if reasonable CC comes to fruition. My greatest fear is that a compromise will be reached in the legislature that will allow local governments such as Cook County to severely restrict CC. The areas you need self-protection the most would likely restrict it to the greatest extent possible.

Hopefully the CC advocates do posses the votes they indicate they have to craft an all encompassing law that will preclude excluding large segments of the population that need self-protection the most such as the law abiding citizens of Chicago.

 

[dnielson]

The only way Illinois is going to get concealed carry is to blow Cook county into Lake Michigan! There are not enough votes in the legislature to pass anything approaching a good CC law.

Good luck, guys.

Good for them. Then don't pass a law. If no law passes, we have FOID card carry in 6 months.

 

[coldmold]

First Michigan passes a right to work bill and now this. I am beginning to think there might be something to this 22nd being the end of the world stuff. At any rate it seems the good guys are winning a few.

 

[cmort666]

I am elated to hear that there is now a good possibility we will enjoy CC in Illinois. I doubt though that the firearm murder rate in Chicago will be reduced significantly. The most recent statistics I heard that related to shootings in the city of Chicago was that 90% of the shooters and 75% of those shot had criminal records and were precluded from owning firearms. Also, 25% of the shootings were committed by a single gang engaged in internecine over control of the gang.

Assuming that Illinois (and Apartheid Chicago) really get shall issue concealed carry, the "wilding" incidents are going to go WAY down. The gangs of teenagers committing these violent crimes in popular entertainment areas know they're never going to get caught, much less that they're going to be STOPPED in the act by the laughable Chicago PD. After a couple of them get shot, the "fun" is going to go out of beating total strangers in public. We don't have those problems in Ohio, and for the obvious reason.

I wonder if there will be any provision for reciprocity with other states. I'd definitely feel better driving around the worst parts of Chicago on Christmas night, chauffeuring my relatives around if I didn't have a legal DUTY to LET somebody rob or murder me.

 

[G.T. Smith]

Well then,

I predict that IL will go "shall issue" in a year that Christmas comes before New Years.

It's a done deal because at our Wal-Mart here, and probably everywhere else, Christmas comes before Thanksgiving
Peace,
Gordon

 

[158Grain]

I'm so glad that everyone in the state of Illinois didn't give up for their rights. A special thank you to the IL NRA also. I know I will be one of the first people trying to get a permit. I'm sure the process with be a lengthy one, but hopefully when the state of IL sees people signing up, Chicago will start to get the idea that people will fight for what the believe in! Now, sit back and watch gun sales skyrocket in IL. S&W, get ready for increased sales again!

 

[Mapko]

Can you believe, Bobby Rush is vehemently opposed to this potential legislation. Possibly because it arms us against "those" who voted for him.

 

[158Grain]

How long do you think it will take Rahm Emanuel to petition for Chicago to become its own state?

 

[illinoimike]

Nope - our lobbyist is throwing all of the failed bills out the window. We are in control now. If the state doesn't pass a bill in 180 days, our FOID cards are our carry permits.

I'd like to think that this reasoning would prevail. It is clear from conversations with State Police from border states that anyone with an Illinois FOID is a pretty safe bet that they are legit. The background checks done here are some of the best in the nation. It would only stand to reason that a FOID carrying law abiding citizen from Illinois be granted ccw. Keeping in mind not that many would want to carry but would certainly want to have the authority to do so if needed.
We have been labeled everything except what we really are. We are law abiding U.S. citizens that have always had our country and families best interest in mind.

 

[vytoland]

we HAVE met the enemy and we HAVE overcome!!!

the Q ball drops in 11 months..........

 

[illinoimike]

You know, I love our country, I really do. It makes me sad that so many try to limit what we can do to benefit this great nation. I have no desire to hurt anyone but I have a great desire to make this nation, my home, a better, safer place. It makes good sense to let good folks set the tone for our country, not the few who could care less about their fellow man but only have a hunger for self-gratification at someone else's expense. Why can't one person standing up for what's right get the attention like those who clamor about screaming no jesus in school, no 10 commandment in our government building???
Today I feel our country made the right move.

 

[Joewisc]

Danged activist judges legislating from the bench? Whatever happened to federalism and states' rights?

They died with Jefferson.

 

[jaykellogg]

I know a guy in South Chicago with a CCW. His was issued in Florida. FL will issue CCW permits to out of state residents.

 

[158Grain]

I know a guy in South Chicago with a CCW. His was issued in Florida. FL will issue CCW permits to out of state residents.

This is true. Florida does have out of state CCW. The problem there is that IL DOES NOT recognize any of them. Once I cross the Mississippi with my out of state Florida license I can legally cary. If your friend is doing this in IL, he is committing a felony!

 

[Chris L.]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

 

[nipster]

Maybe the crime rate will get under control.

 

[cmort666]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

Unless you had an actual reason, I wouldn't bother.

Avoid trouble. There's mostly just trouble there.

If my mother didn't live there, I'd NEVER go.

 

[pawncop]

Congratulations to all my brothers and sisters in arms in Illinois.

Government should believe in liberty.

 

[venomballistics]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

sure ... but then ... why would you want to?

 

[Chris L.]

Unless you had an actual reason, I wouldn't bother.

Avoid trouble. There's mostly just trouble there.

If my mother didn't live there, I'd NEVER go.

True... the state seems to be making their best effort to do ALL the wrong things.

 

[Buford57]

In a related story, credible reports have been received that Satan was seen buying ice skates before departing on a flying pig.

I really never thought I'd live to see this day.

 

[venomballistics]

we HAVE met the enemy and we HAVE overcome!!!

the Q ball drops in 11 months..........

dont get too enthusiastic yet ... when you think youve broken the line, check your flank.
it was the way they wanted it, and thats the way they'll try to have it in the end.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

The state government isn't anything I would want, but the folks living there are pretty much great. I cannot understand why they keep electing such a poor government.

Because Cook County is large enough in population to dominate the state.

 

[spad124]

As more and more information is coming out, the ruling is very powerful. Apparently, Illinois is already taking heat to NOT appeal the ruling because it could effect the status of states that have the "may issue" and if SCOTUS upholds this ruling, it would require them to change to "shall issue".

The ruling doesn't require the state of Illinois to come up with a carry conceal law, but gives them 180 days to do so if they like. If no law is enacted in 180 days covering CCW, then the ruling goes into effect striking down all bans on CCW. At which point, if you have a FOID, you would then be allowed to carry both open and concealed with only Federal restrictions in place (no carrying in Federal Courthouse, airports, etc.).

It will be interesting because the power in this issue has changed hands. Prior to this ruling those that wanted to have strict gun control had enough votes to keep from getting a super majority (what was required to overturn a Governor veto). Now, there is enough votes to prevent any bill that they don't want to pass from getting through and then the ruling goes into effect. It gives the carry conceal side more power to negotiate for a reasonable bill instead of Chicago just shoving something down the throat of the state

As another poster in this thread said, "Having broke through the line, watch your flank" The majority opinion (2-1) discussed New York's "demonstrated need" permit scheme quite a bit. The majority also states that victims of domestic abuse and those living in the high crime areas of Chicago have the greatest need for CCW, not the suburban males or Gold Coast high rise dwellers with doormen. (No lawyer apparently reminded the justices that last year a nut went on a rampage in rural central Ill and Indiana killing several people.) AG Madigan and THE GOV Quinn will undoubtedly catch on to that.

Assuming Illinois doesn't appeal to SCOTUS, I suspect the first round of proposed legislation will be pretty heavy handed and mirror NY's. This will be a pretty hard fight between Chicago/Cook Co and "Downstate" (read: Everywhere else in the state except Chicago/Cook Co)

The best thing for is "Downstaters" is that 2-3 key Chicago/Cook Co legislators have recently been either tossed out of the General Assembly for ethics violations or are under investigation or indictment . Chicago rep Donne Trotter, a big gun control advocate, was arrested at O'Hare late last week for trying to carry a revolver onto an airplane. He claims he was working for a security agency and "forgot" he had the revolver in his bag.

The danger is that the current law prohibiting carrying anywhere other than on your own land, private property with permission, or in your place of business will be eliminated, however, the replacement will not allow general law abiding citizens the opportunity to obtain a CCW if they choose. A CCW applicant will have to demonstrate some present danger and expectation of assault in order to obtain a permit. -- Of course, just living in certain parts of Chicago would qualify.

 

[37airweight]

One of our down state democrats, Brandon Phelps has been pushing a pretty good bill allowing concealed carry and pre-empting home rule areas like Chicago from enacting more restrictive laws. It usually makes it out of committee but is never called on by the Speaker of the House. Hopefully, the final bill will resemble his.

 

[cmort666]

One of our down state democrats, Brandon Phelps has been pushing a pretty good bill allowing concealed carry and pre-empting home rule areas like Chicago from enacting more restrictive laws. It usually makes it out of committee but is never called on by the Speaker of the House. Hopefully, the final bill will resemble his.

Actually, Illinoisians would benefit most from NO bill and carrying on their FOIDs.

Out of staters (such as myself) would benefit from some sane bill on the order of Ohio's or Pennsylvania's. I only go there once a year to visit relatives (I can only stand the place that often.). Now that I'm working a job with no vacation, I don't go at all. It certainly would be nice to eventually be able to go there and not be driving around the worst parts of Chicago at midnight, taking my relatives home from Christmas dinner, UNARMED.

I'd also really like not having to disarm on the Indiana-Illinois border when driving to Missouri to hunt on my best friend's family farm.

 

[Neumann]

Don't read too much into it, look at where DC is at after the Heller decision.

After the Heller decision, DC allowed handguns, but made their registration difficult and expensive. Carry outside the residence is not allowed. Chicago did much the same after the McDonald decision.

This is something different, since it establishes the right to carry a weapon for self defense in public on a Constitutional basis. Last summer, there were 68 votes in the Illinois House in favor of concealed carry. It needed 71 votes to be veto-proof and home-rule-proof. The last is the most significant barrier in Illinois, since otherwise any home-rule town could pass their own gun laws, including Chicago.

Chicago may still make its citizens jump through hoops to register a weapon, but anyone in the state will be able to carry there. If Illinois appeals and loses, California, New York, New Jersey and other foreign states will lose their ability to deny licenses as well. If Illinois imposes unreasonable restrictions, it will be appealed on that basis too.

It's an uphill road, but it's a start.