ILLINOIS V I C T O R Y

[johngalt]

I'm no Madigan supporter, but "defending her office's decision to uphold a Freedom of Information Act request" is a lot different than "supporting the release of FOID data".

One can support compliance with the law without approving of said law.

The AG does not have the option of ignoring the law. Unless you think that the rule of law should be abandoned? That would make us no better than any other 3rd world dictatorship.

 

[Kybill2]

That would make us no better than any other 3rd world dictatorship.

Why if we were no better the IRS would be targeting groups and auditing people that think different than the administration. Then the NSA would probably start spying on people and listening to their phone calls and reading their Email.

 

[M29since14]

...That would make us no better than any other 3rd world dictatorship.

Like Chicago!

 

[MJB]

Quinn issues amendatory veto but it looks like the GA will override.

We should know what's up Monday or Tuesday.

 

[Mapko]

Fingers crosssed.

Fingers crossed here that it passes without the "baggage" some have mentioned ----- like PROVING a need, EXPENSIVE licensure, SEVERE location restrictions, magazine CAPACITY , CALIBER restrictions etc................
Hopefully I/we will know next week.

Mark

629, 1911-45, 40, 9mm-Shield, 380, 32 ( oh, WHAT to carry?)

 

[sctman800]

The AV by Quinn in meaningless and "should" be overriden. Branden Phelps the origional sponser of the bill has the final say over what happens now. There are two options, he can file for a concurence vote which if passed would make Quinn's AV rewrite the law. Phelps has allready filed for an "override" vote, this means the bill is either passed as written or it fails and dies leaving no CCW bill in effect. If this happens "court carry" will go into effect immediatley after failing in either the House or the Senate. If override passes both house and senate the bill is immediatley law as soon as the votes are recorded. Jim.

 

[ispcapt]

"Wednesday, Madigan defended her office's decision to uphold a Freedom of Information Act request that would effectively publicize the names of registered Illinois gun owners." This!
Then why was it that the state House of Representatives had to create HB3500 to keep it from happening?

I'll type really slow so you can follow along. I've explained it before but apparently you're not able to comprehend multi-syllable words.
The reason the legislature had to change the law is because the way the FOIA law was written previously there was noting in the FOIA to prevent releasing the info. The ISP could find no legal reason to withhold the info so the AG, the attorney for the state of IL, was asked to research the FOIA law and court rulings to see if the AG could find a reason not to release the info. The AG also could find nothing in the FOIA law preventing releasing the info. So the way the law was written at the time FOID info had to be released because it was the law at the time. The ISP and the AG supported changing the FOIA law which required the legislature passing an amendment to the existing FOIA law.
It's really pretty simple to understand unless a person is really a simpleton.

You asked for a news report, I delivered! So please try a new argument, your current one is getting boring! Dale

Boring? No, it's sad, really really sad. Don't people laugh at you when you walk around in public wearing your tin foil hat?
The news report proved exactly what I was saying and said nothing about what you think it said. Once again, since you have a serious reading comprehension problem, your news report stated "The federal and state courts that have looked at these issues have said when you apply for some form of a license, that that is public information," If you can't understand that sentence then you confirm you're reading comprehension is minimal at best.
Seriously, you can't be this slow. It was the law at the time. That's all the AG was saying. Neither the ISP nor the AG liked the FOIA law but it was the law at the time. It took a legislative amendment to change the law. It happens to be the way the government works. If you want more info on how the government works then read something the Constitution. The Constitution sets out the powers and duties of each branch.
Your tin foil hat is way too tight. It's no wonder some people call gun owners Gun Nuts when it's people who are incapable of understanding the law spread untruths.

 

[MMA10mm]

Capt.,
With your experience, you should know: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink... Insults aren't helping our cause/side either.

Having been in the judicial field for awhile now, I see exactly what you are saying. The problem is, in this state especially, political division is so stark, that people will insert beliefs in-between facts, and draw conclusions. Trying to change beliefs is harder than changing facts sometimes.

The question is whether Lisa M.'s decision about the FOIA law forecasts anything about HER beliefs. She is fortunate in that she can hide behind a valid interpretation of the law as it stood before it was re-written. SO, we really do not know anything about how she would rule/govern reference firearms laws based on this one incident alone. While Badkarma1 may be incorrectly implying this incident shows her as unfriendly to gun owners, your correction of his impropper conclusions borders on incorrectly putting her in a light of being friendly towards us. I have/feel no such reassurance. In fact, just her blood line makes me very worried. We should have a stronger anti-nepotism law in Illinois, IMO, just because of the Madigans...

 

[Lost Lake]

Capt.,
With your experience, you should know: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink... Insults aren't helping our cause/side either.

Agree!!

Capt, you have a lot of good info but your frustration is overriding it. The insults actually made me skip over your posts at first, then I had to go back and read them again.

Please consider removing the belittling remarks; I think your posts would hold more weight without them.

 

[bluegrassarms]

House and Senate both overrode the veto. I'm not clear if in Illinois the Governor has to sign it officially for it to become law or not, but most stuff I assume it's either the law or will be before midnight.

Also read that ISP has 180 days to come up with implementation details. 6 months for something they've known was coming for 6 months? They're dragging this out as much as they can, aren't they?

 

[Hill_Country]

It may not be perfect, but few cc laws are. Congratulations to everyone in IL.

Has anyone heard exactly what is in the bill? Any provision for reciprocity?

 

[cmort666]

It may not be perfect, but few cc laws are. Congratulations to everyone in IL.

Has anyone heard exactly what is in the bill? Any provision for reciprocity?

The last I heard, there was no reciprocity, but there were non-resident licenses/permits.

 

[cmort666]

The odds are at least 50-50 that my mother and cousin will try to use this as an inducement for me to move back to Apartheid Chicago.

In the words of Spongebob, "Good luck with that!"

 

[Hill_Country]

The last I heard, there was no reciprocity, but there were non-resident licenses/permits.

Thanks, but I doubt I'll be buying a non-resident ticket. I grew up in NW Indiana and it would take at least 30 degrees of global warming for me to even think of moving back up North.

Well done to everyone who had a hand in the new law, though. Now it will be interesting to see what happens to the crime statistics.

 

[johngalt]

This whole CCW fiasco in IL used up pretty much all the sympathy I had. They had a chance for constitutional carry and traded it in for an abomination that is so restrictive it might as well still be no carry. There was no rush, they could have held out. But instead this is what they got:

Prohibited locations:

* School and university properties
* Court houses
* Libraries
* Airports
* Gaming facilities
* Stadiums, arenas and sporting events
* Amusement parks
* Museums and zoos
* Local government buildings:
Correctional facilities
Hospitals, mental health facilities and nursing homes – both public and private
* Public transportation
* Any establishment that serves alcohol and makes more than half of its revenue from the consumption of alcohol
* Any public gathering or special event that requires a government permit
* Any building where a special event liquor license has been issued (only during the event hours)
* Public playgrounds and parks, athletic areas or facilities under the control of a municipality or park district
* Property controlled by Cook County Forest Preserve
* Any area forbidden by private property owners

Illinois? concealed carry bill HB-183 is a joke ? but it?s not funny | The Daily Caller

 

[bluegrassarms]

Holy cow, what a list. Yeah, not many areas left where you can carry.

It does highlight just how petty and manipulative Quinn's veto was however, since he was just tightening up what is an already insanely tight law.

Hopefully with it being "shall issue" some of these restrictions can be slowly eroded. We've seen that in other states where they can be chipped away at over time as the "we're going to see the Wild West" claims prove false yet again.

 

[MJB]

The battle is won but the war is far from over. And that probably holds true for the whole country.

 

[norsmis]

This whole CCW fiasco in IL used up pretty much all the sympathy I had. They had a chance for constitutional carry and traded it in for an abomination that is so restrictive it might as well still be no carry. There was no rush, they could have held out. But instead this is what they got:

Prohibited locations:

* School and university properties
* Court houses
* Libraries
* Airports
* Gaming facilities
* Stadiums, arenas and sporting events
* Amusement parks
* Museums and zoos
* Local government buildings:
Correctional facilities
Hospitals, mental health facilities and nursing homes – both public and private
* Public transportation
* Any establishment that serves alcohol and makes more than half of its revenue from the consumption of alcohol
* Any public gathering or special event that requires a government permit
* Any building where a special event liquor license has been issued (only during the event hours)
* Public playgrounds and parks, athletic areas or facilities under the control of a municipality or park district
* Property controlled by Cook County Forest Preserve
* Any area forbidden by private property owners

Illinois? concealed carry bill HB-183 is a joke ? but it?s not funny | The Daily Caller

Why do think "constitutional" carry would be better? Then each municipality could make their own restrictions to include and not limited to magazine limits, weapon type limits, number of weapons limited, type of ammo you could carry and on and on and on..... No thank you! I dont want to become a felon because I crossed a county or city line. Although this bill is not perfect its better than what we had!

 

[HankG]

I clicked "like" on MJB's thought above for this reason. The country is slowly evolving into socialism. We don't control the economics of the world any more. Globalism has taken care of that. Our standard of living is slowly eroding and as it does more strain will be put on those that really produce anything. They will be taxed to the limit to pay for the government checks needed to the keep the rest of the population under control. I've watched it slowly evolve from the late 60s with the "Great Society" programs of Lynden Johnson that produced the South and West side gangs of the city of Chicago to the need for assimilating "illegals" into the country.

A war is on, between socialism and capitalism; between the government controlling everything and individuals being able to think and act on their own. We're slowly loosing it, generation after generation.

 

[bluegrassarms]

The battle is won but the war is far from over. And that probably holds true for the whole country.

You've said a mouthful. it's FAR from over, both in Illinois and most certainly in the rest of the country. Unless Bloomberg and the UN both go bankrupt this fight is a long way from over. Bloomberg isn't spending millions in each of several key Senate races for giggles. Anti-gun groups are trying to get the votes in the Senate to make another big push.

I consider this a step forward in illinois, but that's easy to say b/c I don't live there. if I did I'd be frustrated as tar with the restrictions. But I do think it's a step, even if one where they tied the shoe laces together. Hopefully a piece at a time some of the restrictions can be removed.

Even in Kentucky, which had a pretty unrestrictive law, the judiciary has expanded the options. There will undoubtedly be legal challenges to some of these particular prohibitions, maybe a few of them will prevail. I'd attack the public transportation one for sure. I'd have to look at the national case law, but I bet you could get 2-3 of them at least relaxed that way.