I'm In CA. -What Happens If I Need To Warranty My M&P9? Not on Approved list anymore?

[falconman515]

I'm In CA. -What Happens If I Need To Warranty My M&P9? Not on Approved list anymore?

So I got a new M&P9 Pro CORE and I thought of something after reading a thread tonight.

What happens if something needs repaired on my gun and I have to send it to S&W for warranty service or replacement etc.?

Since it's no longer on the CA. Approved Roster List anymore will there be any issues?

Maybe if it can be repaired etc. it may not be an issue but what if say the lower needs replaced due to major crack etc. and it;s a new serial# (not sure if that is how this works or not) but the gun is no longer on the approved list what happens then?

I know I can still get this gun using SSE ... But SSE bill has been signed and that will be illegal come Jan.1st 14' so there is no way to do that if this would happen say after next year.

Just trying to get an idea of how that all works and how S&W warranties a gun that's in CA when it;s no longer on the list and SSE is gone?

Thanks so much and I look forward to your replies!

 

[poru_desu]

... good question, I'm on the same boat as you with my various collection of M&Ps that were obtained through SSE.

*subscribed*

 

[rdtompki]

There are a few threads about that point to this scenario being a problem. A new firearm from S&W (with a new S/N) will need to go through an FFL. If the SKU is not on the roster can the FFL do the paperwork? A related question in my mind: what's the SKU of a bare handgun? The S&Ws on the roster are designated by SKU which seems to be associated with a combination of the handgun and original kit. Said differently, when you get a replacement handgun what's the SKU look like?

 

[Ranger17]

i'm not in CA, but would S&W (or guess the other manufacturers as well) have an "official" notice on this concern, in how they are able to deal with it for their consumers who are in CA? Seems they'd have to have a plan to put in place as I'm sure they cant stop warranty coverage based on one's address.

just a thought...

 

[vipermd]

I would have to believe that if your firearm is damaged and requires replacement of the frame and therefore the SN#, and that gun is no longer on the list I would believe that it could not be sent back to you. It could be sent to a FFL and they could sell it for you out of state. Logic would say that it was approved and legal in the state, the repair does NOT change the characteristics of the gun ( safety ) so it would in fact be the "same" legal gun that was sent to SW. I hope that in the law it does allow for that contingency, I was unable to find the law on doj website. Maybe a call to NRA-ILA or a firearms Atty could give you the info. Wish you the best. Be Safe,

 

[robkarrob]

It should not matter. The restrictions are for sales of new guns. Since you own the gun, it is a legal gun in CA, and repairs to the gun would not change its status. It was on the list when you bought it. CA has not changed the law so that non-conforming guns must be turned in or disposed. You know that would not happen with the majority of gun owners, and so do the lawmakers. There are thousands of guns that no longer meet CA's strict rules, but they are still legal to own and use.

As far a total replacement, that is another issue. The replacement gun would have to be sent to a FFL, for the transfer. You would not be buying the gun, but only replacing the gun. But how the laws would affect or even allow the transfer is a question. Any FFL holder in CA, would likely be able to answer that question, as they risk losing their license, if they do not follow the law.

Bob

 

[traderdell]

Not in CA but one of her sister states ny. I feel your pain and wish you the best.

 

[Cal44]

It should not matter. The restrictions are for sales of new guns. Since you own the gun, it is a legal gun in CA, and repairs to the gun would not change its status. It was on the list when you bought it. CA has not changed the law so that non-conforming guns must be turned in or disposed. You know that would not happen with the majority of gun owners, and so do the lawmakers. There are thousands of guns that no longer meet CA's strict rules, but they are still legal to own and use.

Bob

I live in California and had a gun (LCR) replaced by Ruger.

They sent the replacement gun to the gun store (Sportsmans Warehouse) and the store processed it as a sale back to me for $1.

Now LCRs are on the approved list, but if not then SW would never have been able to do this.

Worst case S&W would have to give you a credit towards another gun that is on the list.

Trouble is, that soon there won't be any semi-autos on the California list. They should all fall off within another year.

 

[Bkreutz]

I think you worry too much. If you continually think about what might happen, you're going to find yourself sitting in a corner waiting for an airliner engine to fall through your roof. Worry about things you can control and enjoy life.

 

[robkarrob]

Yes I understand they treated your LCR as a sale, for $1. But what you quoted was for a repaired gun. I also wrote that a full replacement gun could be treated differently. The larger manufacturers, like S&W, would know what they would be allowed to ship, as would the local FFL know what could be transferred. S&W is not going to violate a state law, and the FFL is not going to risk his license either.

Bob

 

[Cal44]

Yes I understand they treated your LCR as a sale, for $1. But what you quoted was for a repaired gun. I also wrote that a full replacement gun could be treated differently. The larger manufacturers, like S&W, would know what they would be allowed to ship, as would the local FFL know what could be transferred. S&W is not going to violate a state law, and the FFL is not going to risk his license either.

Bob

It was a full replacement. I sent my first LCR in for repair, and they said it couldn't be fixed and scrapped it.

Ruger sent Sportsmans Warehouse a totally new gun with a new serial number and that is what was transferred to me.

 

[falconman515]

I think you worry too much. If you continually think about what might happen, you're going to find yourself sitting in a corner waiting for an airliner engine to fall through your roof. Worry about things you can control and enjoy life.

I don't worry brother ... I prepare!!!

G.I. Joe always told me "Knowing Is Half The Battle"

Better to be prepared and informed now then to figure it out if and when it ever happens and be behind the 8ball.

I enjoy life life always ... NOTHING wrong with being prepared, EVER.

Keep the info coming guys ... really curious about this since I thought in the back of my mind I had a warranty which my state may void somehow seems like if a replacement is ever necessary.

 

[Bkreutz]

I was thinking of worrying/preparing for unlikely events. Looking at your signature line listing your S&W products, I don't recall any posts in this forum about any of them having to be replaced. It could happen, but all I see being talked about is the Shield in .40 cal. I think if I was in your situation (in CA) I'd be more concerned about the "Staatspolezei" knocking on your door and confiscating your AR. I can't even imagine living there anymore (I was born there, went to college there, and worked there for a while). Now if this thread is just a "what if" kind of thing, I can understand that, but the real possibility of having to replace the complete pistol is quite remote (in my experience, I put around 60K rounds through mine every year).

 

[falconman515]

It's a "What If" thread.

A few people have voiced they are wondering the same as well already so I'm not the only one ... that's what a forum is for .... we ask questions looking for answers ... not a answer saying to "not worry about it".

Glad you got out up to good ol' WA. (which I love BTW, lived in Port Orchard for a few years when I was younger, beautiful place) ..... but us unfortunate Californians have to deal with it and I am not the only one obviously wondering this as this is a concern I can't find discussed anywhere and how it would all play out considering our states horrific laws.

I'm gonna call S&W to see if those guys can give me a better answer and see what they say ... doubt I will get a definite but who knows.

 

[Saudade]

IANAL!!

However, Generally speaking, a *repaired* firearm can be sent directly back to the owner as long as the owner is not a prohibited person.

A *replaced* firearm must be transferred through a CA FFL. At that time, the roster applies. If the handgun is not on the roster, the FFL can, if they are properly licensed, convert it to single shot, and process the transaction under SSE. You may (likely) have to pay the associated fees.

But, as you noted, SSE goes away 1/1/2015. So this will be out. The manufacturer may replace your handgun with a CA approved model if available or provide some kind of refund.

Otherwise, you're SOL.

I'm not aware that COREs were ever on the roster. My FS and Compact were when I bought them. My 9c is already off and the FS in a few weeks.

Naturally, this applies only to those of us subject to the roster in the first place. If you're an LEO, you're already exempt.

 

[Rastoff]

As has already been noted, a repair is a non-issue. The worst that could happen is that the frame needs to be replaced. The manufacturer could put the original serial number on the new frame. Thus, it would essentially be the same gun and could be shipped back directly to the owner.

I doubt that S&W will do that.

 

[SoCoRuss]

Simple fix. Move the hell out of that nutjob state. How anyone that owns firearms can live there is beyond me. I was sentenced there for 2 years for a military assignment. I volunteered to go do a UN mission in freaking Serbia just to get paroled. Stopped the car and kissed the Nevada ground as I crossed the state line heading across the country..

 

[Gunhacker]

I live in California and had a gun (LCR) replaced by Ruger.

They sent the replacement gun to the gun store (Sportsmans Warehouse) and the store processed it as a sale back to me for $1.

Now LCRs are on the approved list, but if not then SW would never have been able to do this.

Worst case S&W would have to give you a credit towards another gun that is on the list.

Trouble is, that soon there won't be any semi-autos on the California list. They should all fall off within another year.

Not completely true/accurate. S&W will continue to have CA compliant M&P Shields and SVDE series pistols on the roster, per this statement in the S&W announcement regarding the CA Microstamping Legislation:

"Both the M&P Shield and the SDVE pistols are expected to remain on the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale as long as no changes are made to those models and the company does not plan to make changes to them for this reason."

 

[Practical]

i'm not in CA, but would S&W (or guess the other manufacturers as well) have an "official" notice on this concern, in how they are able to deal with it for their consumers who are in CA? Seems they'd have to have a plan to put in place as I'm sure they cant stop warranty coverage based on one's address.

just a thought...

Yes - they can stop warranty coverage if the gun can't legally be shipped back.

Ruger has just such a notice. I would think the warranty might become you getting shipped back a gun on the roster...

 

[Hans Gruber]

Talk about over worrying a non-existent problem!

If S&W cannot provide you with a CURRENT on-Roster gun they'll offer you the most closely associated ON-Roster gun...it's that simple.