In Praise Of A Glock.

I forgot about a pistol my wife bought some years ago but after she reminded me of it I had to go out to our range and fired it some . It is a sig P250 sub compact in 380acp . My wife changed to a p365xl for CC needs today even retiring her kimber ultra 9mm . The P250sc in 380 weight in at 19,5oz with 12 round mag , locked breach recoil system and can be racked with one finger pushing the slide back and recoil is , well not much . Lightened slide and barrels chamber area help to reduce the weight of the 380 . Its not as small as many micro 380 so many prefer but its is a great little shooter if 380 is your choice . This is a hammer fired pistol with a smooth DA style trigger pull , of the wide radiused smooth trigger is 5lb 6 to 8 oz on this p250. My wife also bought what sig call an exchange kit , slide ,barrel recoil spring assembly and mags for a number of different caliber including 45 with the p250 models but she ordered the 9mm kit and a few 15 round mags . This is a hard to find model today and NOT a pocket bang bang but it is a good option if one is found for the 380 shooter . Now I need to change to the 9mm kit and get some range time on that too . The p320 killed off the p250 line .

 
My issue pistol for several years with the state was a Glock 19. I stopped counting the rounds after 19000. Never a problem. A very reliable pistol. I have owned several Glocks over the past many years and all have performed in a similar fashion.
 
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Please let us know when you find a gun that will melt in a car window! LOL!
Correct....That is some serious wive's tales there.

Glock frames will not melt until they are 410 degrees Fahrenheit...At that temperature, a Model 15 will melt through the dash and steering column.
 
I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".
 
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Please let us know when you find a gun that will melt in a car window! LOL!
Last week I saw a video showing a plasticky FN pistol that was in the sun in a car and the owner took his fingers and squeezed inward at the bottom of the empty magazine well and both sides came together. Now I do not know if a Glock uses this lousy a grade of plastic but FN sure as heck is.
 
I have a couple of PSA Daggers, one micro that are Glock clones. They do a pretty good job and the micro is my usual carry, although it's a rarity I actually do. Most of the places I go you can't carry (doctors office and such) or at least I honor their no firearms policy. I agree with the reliability of both Glocks and the clones (I have owned Glocks before) and have no problems carrying them. If I can ever get my MP 2.0 10mm to work right, I will consider using it as a home defense gun (has Sear Flutter).
 
I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".
A lot of misleading claims here. It might mean more if you can provide some actual data other than your opinion.
 
Last week I saw a video showing a plasticky FN pistol that was in the sun in a car and the owner took his fingers and squeezed inward at the bottom of the empty magazine well and both sides came together. Now I do not know if a Glock uses this lousy a grade of plastic but FN sure as heck is.
We are talking specifically about Glocks. Provide evidence supporting where one melted from being placed on a dashboard.

Waiting...
 
I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".
Great breakdown of the problems that can be encountered with Glocks.,

You are especially correct when you said this: "What people cannot see, they do not fear"

Absolute truth, and exactly why I never carry a striker fired pistol with one in the chamber....With the Taurus G3, I might consider it, only because of the robust frame mounted safety which locks the trigger and the slide...Even then, I doubt it....

I know the "cocked and locked" 1911's look good in a holster, but I am not carrying one of those like that either....Just personal preference. I can rack the slide quick enough if I need it.
 
I don’t carry guns that can melt in a car window.

I carry a CZ-75BD with wooded stocks.
If it were to get hot enough inside of a car to melt a Polymer handgun I'd assume everything on the interior that's made of plastic ...the dashboard , the interior door trim panels and indeed the vinyl seat covers as well ...would be gone long before .
 
Great breakdown of the problems that can be encountered with Glocks.,

You are especially correct when you said this: "What people cannot see, they do not fear"

Absolute truth, and exactly why I never carry a striker fired pistol with one in the chamber....With the Taurus G3, I might consider it, only because of the robust frame mounted safety which locks the trigger and the slide...Even then, I doubt it....

I know the "cocked and locked" 1911's look good in a holster, but I am not carrying one of those like that either....Just personal preference. I can rack the slide quick enough if I need it.

Why not just get serious and carry a revolver?
 
Wow, the Glock haters sure know all the design problems and eagerly espouse a plethora of issues to dissuade ownership of this unworthy and dangerous pistol. My initial thought of Glock in late 80's was negative because of plastic and grip angle. Shot 3gun for 27yrs using a 1911 then Sig 226 and finished with a Glock 17. Never ever a stoppage or malfunction with Glock. The haters reasons to me can be negated with safe handling practices and using the on board computer between your ears. Gotta wonder if haters speak from actual experience with this pistol or repeating the blather of armchair gurus? Glock started a revolution that continues...
 

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