Interesting experience at a "no firearms allowed" restaurant

[PR24]

Stupid is as stupid does, and stupidity is the fundamental foundation of gun control advocacy.

And there no known cure for human stupidity...

 

[posigian]

They need another sign that reads "we dont ever plan to have a fire in our building so we have removed all fire extinguishers"

That would make me feel safe knowing there will never be a fire in the building.

 

[PR24]

Gosh, now this is a subject that many can voice an opinion on. I have a question since when did a store policy supersede a state law???
I am not an attorney just a retired street cop and I don't understand how a store policy has any rule of law to enforce such a policy. they of course can ask one to leave the store IF they in fact are aware that you are armed.
I was sent to take a statement from a juvenile at a detention center, not on the lock-up side, and I was told to leave my duty weapon in my patrol car. I was told they didn't allow weapons in the detention side. I then asked this person if all subjects coming into the center were checked for weapons? The response was "of course not" so I countered with" Then you have no idea if someone walks in with a gun concealed but you refuse to allow me to enter with my openly visible duty weapon while in my Police uniform?... She just stood there and told me well it was their policy...... I walked out and told dispatch to call back the comp as I was not allowed to enter the unsecured side of the juvenile detention center in my uniformed attire. The juvenile came outside and I took the statement. I was later told by some commanders that it was about time for this to happen..... I don't know if the policy has changed but I have a less than positive view of certain policys. Just my thoughts from the Big Sky Country.

It's the whole private property rights thing. Some states don't want to take away the owners right to decide, what, who & when people or things are allowed on their property.

 

[Hodgin]

As I understand it, some states don't have a criminal statute dealing with violations of private no guns allowed signs. Only if there is a sign and violator is asked to leave, he does so or else he's guilty of a criminal trespass.

In TN, it is a criminal violation to carry in a no guns allowed private business provided it has a sign. It also carries an up to $500 fine. I've never heard of any being prosecuted but have heard of someone being as to leave.

 

[Black_Sheep]

It happens. The football player in a nightclub whose pistol slipped from his waistband, down his leg & went off when he tried to grab it (not sure if he had a ccl), to loaded guns found in restrooms that legal carriers placed on the TP holder while doing their business, etc. etc. Just look at many of the AD'S/ND'S on u-tube.

I believe you are referring to Plaxico Burris. The incident happened in New York City where it is illegal to posess a handgun much less carry one concealed. Apparently he was wearing sweat pants with the pistol tucked in the waistband. I can't imagine how anyone would think that was a good idea...

In Minnesota the "No Guns" signs must comply with state law which dictates specific wording, typeface and size requirements necessary for the sign to be valid. If you ignore the sign the worst that can happen is you will be asked to leave. If you refuse to comply you can be charged with tresspassing. Personally, I disregard the signs because concealed is concealed so nobody will ever know if I am packing. I don't want to violate the law but I won't leave a firearm in an unattended vehicle either.

 

[Chillock]

In Minnesota the "No Guns" signs must comply with state law which dictates specific wording, typeface and size requirements necessary for the sign to be valid. If you ignore the sign the worst that can happen is you will be asked to leave. If you refuse to comply you can be charged with tresspassing. Personally, I disregard the signs because concealed is concealed so nobody will ever know if I am packing. I don't want to violate the law but I won't leave a firearm in an unattended vehicle either.

I will not leave my firearm in an unattended vehicle either, also I will not go into a business that has a sign stating no guns, weapons whatever posted. I will not disregard the sign. I have been out shopping and have seen someone carrying "concealed" only I could see the outline under their shirt and I have seen when a person has reached for something and exposed part of their gun and holster.

It is the business' option to allow guns or not, their rules.. I do not want anyone coming to my house or business and "disregard" my rules. Simple.

Anyone can say "nobody will every know" well, accidents happen, an oops and now the gun is showing or the holster. Makes for a prime opportunity for those wish to do away with gun ownership to go after CPL, CCL, CWP or whatever it is labeled in anyone's state.

We obey the law by getting a license to carry, we follow the laws so that we do not set a bad example. There are to many people out there doing wrong with guns why add to the problem and giving more ammunition to those wishing to rid our 2nd amend rights?

 

[TexasArmed]

I believe you are referring to Plaxico Burris. The incident happened in New York City where it is illegal to posess a handgun much less carry one concealed. Apparently he was wearing sweat pants with the pistol tucked in the waistband. I can't imagine how anyone would think that was a good idea...

In Minnesota the "No Guns" signs must comply with state law which dictates specific wording, typeface and size requirements necessary for the sign to be valid. If you ignore the sign the worst that can happen is you will be asked to leave. If you refuse to comply you can be charged with tresspassing. Personally, I disregard the signs because concealed is concealed so nobody will ever know if I am packing. I don't want to violate the law but I won't leave a firearm in an unattended vehicle either.

That's like obeying a recommended speed limit sign. The owners of restaurants are not stupid. If they really wanted
to restrict a concealed holder from carrying a gun on them
they would certainly make sure their sign complied with state
law. I comply with state law, I expect them to do the same.
I take exception to those who want me to comply with state
laws but they do not want to do the same. That includes restaurant owners. I knew a patron of a restaurant in Tennessee (I live in Texas), who got robbed in the restaurant
parking lot. You reckon the restaurant owner would compensate her for being robbed on his property. I doubt it. So if he puts up a legal sign I will quietly look for another restaurant. However, this restaurant being located in New York City I would rule out being in New York City to begin with.

 

[Pig Hunter]

We have a fast food place here in town with a no concealed weapons sign on the door that is the preferred lunching location for the local armoured car drivers who are in uniform and carry in the open, go figure! Mark

 

[waldengr]

Which City My sister and BIL live near Tyler and work and shop there. They also have a Lubys as I remember.

@RobzGuns, can't just ingnore in NC they carry the force of law.

same in colorado. my understanding is if you are found carrying, that is one violation, and if you give the manager/owner lip that is a second (tresspassing). used to live in texas, and if i remember correctly, those no gun signs were leagally void and may even prohibited. but, the past grows dim.

 

[Kensterfly]

In Texas, the signs have to meet exact requirements down to the font size. Any other sign is not legally enforceable but there is still the trespassing gotcha.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

"What was really discouraging about the whole incident was that my son, who is in law enforcement, seems to agree with this manager that having a "no guns allowed" policy makes him, and likely other customers "feel" safer. Amazing and sad."

I'm disappointed at your son's position on this! I would certainly think a LEO would know better than to believe that a sign prohibiting CCW in a privately owned establishment makes for a safer place??

Have read most of the responses above-- of late, maybe because I am just old,I am these days feeling less and less sorry for the victims in such places. I am sure they feel very safe when they are just dead. People tend to get what they ask for. JMHO--

 

[TexasArmed]

In Texas, the signs have to meet exact requirements down to the font size. Any other sign is not legally enforceable but there is still the trespassing gotcha.

I have lived in Texas a long time and I have never seen a legal no gun sign at a restaurant, not saying there are not any such
places. I have however seen a few at the entrance of shopping malls, one legal sign at a hospital.

The incident at Luby's in Texas was what led to allowing concealed carry. Whenever the mall owners put up a legal
no gun sign in Texas they just put the entire mall off limits for
me to shop. In these days of the internet when I can buy
what I need from any source, there is no reason whatsoever
to buy from them and leave my gun in a vehicle unattended.
If they lose enough business they either go bankrupt or they
change. It don't matter to me much which way it goes.

 

[OLDFED]

I ate in Luby's years after...

Luby's in Texas had the same sign and was shot up a number of years ago. The witnesses stated it was like a "slaughter house".

...the killings but didn't notice if they had a "No Guns" sign on the door. Does anyone know what they are doing now?

 

[bob98366]

Just hand the business one of these. Print out on business card stock.

 

[klw629]

Welcome to Madison Buddy,This is the exact reason I do not CCW.We have the "right" to but as soon as a problem arises and you even pull your weapon YOU will be in jail.Heaven forbid you actually shoot someone trying to harm you or your family because you will be locked up and have to post a huge bail and pay ton's of attorney fees.

I guess it's better to be dead!

 

[Protected One]

They need another sign that reads "we dont ever plan to have a fire in our building so we have removed all fire extinguishers"

That would make me feel safe knowing there will never be a fire in the building.

....and smoke detectors....and fire alarms!

 

[vito]

I think I will hang a sign in the window of my car saying "No crashes permitted at any time"; then I can stop using my seatbelt and can disconnect the airbag.

 

[wittmeba]

No ticky - No laundry!