I’m a straight up newb, only been shooting for six months or so, first gun was a Glock 43x mos. I put a red dot on mine with the expectation of shooting like an expert. Boy was I shocked when the promise of great accuracy failed to materialize. I reset, bought a S&W 22 compact and practiced, I’m far better with the 22 for obvious reasons, I decided to remove the dot from the Glock and see what would happen with just the irons. The result was better shooting of the 9mm, it seems to be more intuitive since I understand the concept of the irons better than the dot. Eventually I’ll put the dot on something else since I ain’t getting any younger nor are my eyes but when I do I’ll have an instructor teach me the proper way of utilizing it. For now I’ll enjoy the irons.