Brien
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I just ordered a SD9 today. I was very unhappy with the trigger pull in the store but the pistol felt great in my hands. I'm gonna order the spring, trigger and no profile block unless there is another setup that's better.
Is Apex the way to go?
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There is going to be people that say you should "just get used to it"
Going to imply you can't think for yourself. That you have less skills because you want to improve your gun and its action. Basically imply you are inept or not as good as them or stupid.
I have used Apex for years to improve my guns and those of my buddies. I have probably put in close to 30 kits and triggers in now and they have all improved each gun's performance and action.
Top quality parts that make very good guns even better.
Doc
Going to imply you can't think for yourself. That you have less skills because you want to improve your gun and its action. Basically imply you are inept or not as good as them or stupid.
I have used Apex for years to improve my guns and those of my buddies. I have probably put in close to 30 kits and triggers in now and they have all improved each gun's performance and action.
Top quality parts that make very good guns even better.
Doc
I just installed two thirds of the Apex spring kit (but not the striker spring) with good results. I also installed but then removed the Apex trigger. That was based on personal preference... YMMV.
I don't mind the SD9VE's longer trigger pull now that it is down to about 6 lbs instead of perhaps 8-9 lbs out of the box. The Apex trigger reportedly reduces the travel by 20%, but I had trouble fitting in such a way that the overall pull stayed smooth. (PM me with an offer if you want my unused trigger!).
To answer your question, Galloway Precision sells a spring kit, too. I don't know of any other company selling trigger mods, but others might.
As a side note, you can find instructions on the internet about how to modify the sear spring. Apex recommends not modifying those parts with their kits. I agree that modifying the sear spring is not a good idea, based on what I've read about how that mod can affect reliability and even safety.
I don't mind the SD9VE's longer trigger pull now that it is down to about 6 lbs instead of perhaps 8-9 lbs out of the box. The Apex trigger reportedly reduces the travel by 20%, but I had trouble fitting in such a way that the overall pull stayed smooth. (PM me with an offer if you want my unused trigger!).
To answer your question, Galloway Precision sells a spring kit, too. I don't know of any other company selling trigger mods, but others might.
As a side note, you can find instructions on the internet about how to modify the sear spring. Apex recommends not modifying those parts with their kits. I agree that modifying the sear spring is not a good idea, based on what I've read about how that mod can affect reliability and even safety.
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Ranger98
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I have found that the Apex Kits make a noticeable improvement in both the revolvers and pistols in which I have installed them in.
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I second this. It's not necessarily night and day, but definitely noticeable and worth it.
GRU_ 7_ mech
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After installing the Apex trigger I was satisfied enough that I chose not to install the spring kit. I am really pleased with the performance of the SD9VE.
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For what its worth, this is my first pistol, have only shot a handful of others, and do not notice a heavy stock trigger, and my wife, who has weak hands, doesnt notice it either.
MAybe it was what he could afford? That is how I got mine. Well I did have one other choice but it was a ruger SR9 with magazine disconnect. Instant fail in my book. Initial cost is the worst but at least you have something. Upgrades can come as you can afford them.
JaPes
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The Apex kit (figuratively and literally) is the only choice. I shot my SD9VE stock. I got used to the OEM trigger, and all was well. I got curious and installed the Apex trigger shoe and spring kit. The Apex trigger and spring kit makes shooting a bit easier. What it will not do is overcome poor marksmanship fundamentals.
You do know that removing the magazine disconnect in the SR9 is super simple right? It's tons easier removing the mag disconnect on the SR9 than removing/installing the trigger pin from the SD9VE and hand-fitting the Apex trigger shoe.
You do know that removing the magazine disconnect in the SR9 is super simple right? It's tons easier removing the mag disconnect on the SR9 than removing/installing the trigger pin from the SD9VE and hand-fitting the Apex trigger shoe.
Mine has had the full Apex kit including the trigger. I went back to the original striker spring but kept everything else. The gun is excellent. The Apex trigger shortened the trigger pull a bit. I have a friend who prefers my SD over his M&P FS. I don't think it's that good, but it's close.
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Brien
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Thanks for the suggestions, very helpful.
To the post about why did I buy it, price wasn't a factor but fit was. I literally played with 10 similar sized pistols in the store and this one felt great! I would have got another M&P 9c but it's been added to the state roster and unavailable. I hated the trigger action but also knew I could get a kit so bought it anyway. The heavy and long pull is not what I'm used to with my other pistols, which is why I want to upgrade it. I like them to shoot similarly.
To the post about why did I buy it, price wasn't a factor but fit was. I literally played with 10 similar sized pistols in the store and this one felt great! I would have got another M&P 9c but it's been added to the state roster and unavailable. I hated the trigger action but also knew I could get a kit so bought it anyway. The heavy and long pull is not what I'm used to with my other pistols, which is why I want to upgrade it. I like them to shoot similarly.
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I understand that the heavier trigger pull is a safety feature and have no plan to make any changes that affect trigger pull or striker energy. When shooting on a range I just use a slow pull and am satisfied with the accuracy. I have to assume that in an actual self-defense situation, trigger pull would not be an issue.
I would assume that many of the folks on this forum would disagree with me and suggest that I put in a trigger kit but I don't shoot as a hobby, just to stay familiar with the gun.
I understand that the heavier trigger pull is a safety feature and have no plan to make any changes that affect trigger pull or striker energy. When shooting on a range I just use a slow pull and am satisfied with the accuracy. I have to assume that in an actual self-defense situation, trigger pull would not be an issue.
I would assume that many of the folks on this forum would disagree with me and suggest that I put in a trigger kit but I don't shoot as a hobby, just to stay familiar with the gun.
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I agree with you
It is your gun, at least for now, by all means make it yours.
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I did not know that as I have not looked much into the SR9 since i bought the SD 40 VE. My trigger needed no fitting and took me all of 5 minutes to remove trigger pin 15-20 min job and it was done. Still happy with my purchase.
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I have many nice S&W pistols and I just bought one of these for my 23 year old daughter because it was 300 out the door and the idea of turning her loose with one of my nice 3rd gens made me cringe. I did research it in this very forum and 99% of the people here loved it and found it reliable. Granted she has only put 100 rds down range and it was with her boyfriend, she said it shot every time she pulled the trigger. And she also like the way it looked Ha.
Kronos
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I just put the Apex polymer trigger in my new SD9ve on account I have something approaching a rabid hate for the two piece hinged job S&W uses 
I've actually owned two M&P's in the past and the trigger design is one reason I don't have them anymore.
That said a trigger snob I ain't,however the change in the trigger is nice I can't say if it's the design of the solid Apex or something else but I can point to these two changes you'll notice:
It does lighten it a bit,not much,but a bit.
There's no "dead space" anymore,it's more like a Glock and when you squeeze it you can tell the striker is being released without a few millimeters of the trigger just moving back before you get resistance.
To me just being rid of the hinged trigger is worth it.
I've actually owned two M&P's in the past and the trigger design is one reason I don't have them anymore.That said a trigger snob I ain't,however the change in the trigger is nice I can't say if it's the design of the solid Apex or something else but I can point to these two changes you'll notice:
It does lighten it a bit,not much,but a bit.
There's no "dead space" anymore,it's more like a Glock and when you squeeze it you can tell the striker is being released without a few millimeters of the trigger just moving back before you get resistance.
To me just being rid of the hinged trigger is worth it.
Vandalct
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I have the full Apex kit in my SD9VE, trigger and springs. In my humble opinion, the Apex setup took a good gun and made it very very good. Bottom line, it's your weapon so make it what you want and what you will shoot well.
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