Is gunsmithing a dying art?

WINCHESTER MODEL1873 LEVER ACTION RIFLE ENGRAVED AND GOLD INLAID BY EMMA ACHLEITHNER.

Emma Achleithner, the lady who engraved this 1873 Winchester taught me the basics of engraving. Her husband, Frantz, taught me gunsmithing. Both of these wonderful individuals taught at OIT while I was there in the late 1970's. Frantz took a leaf off an old truck spring home & two weeks later brought in a complete double set trigger assembly for a double barrel shotgun that he had created using only hand tools. He annealed the spring in Emma's kitchen oven, laid out the design & hand drilled the periphery of the parts before sawing the outlines with a hacksaw, then finishing each part with a hand file. He disdained the use of machinery when the job could be done by hand. It was a beautiful creation, with the finish slow rust blueing and wheat straw coloring on the triggers and springs.

We would hang around after hours & talk with Frantz, listening while he shared his life experiences. He had trained at Ferlach, Austria as a master gunsmith, then apprenticed to become a master tool & die maker. His first year as apprentice consisted of sweeping and wiping machinery & hand filing a lump of steel into a perfect square. Next, he was instructed to hand file the square into a sphere, and with that accomplished, so was his time as an apprentice.

He was inducted into the Werschmant after the Anschluss & ended up on Eastern front where he was captured at Stalingrad. Because he was an Austrian, he received better treatment & eventually was released to return home. He talked of walking for two months to make the journey. After the war, he made his living by scrounging old tools that had been lost in burned out factories & refurbishing them for his own use, while building sub-caliber rifles for the farmers to use for rodent control as all firearms had been confiscated by the Allies.

Both Frantz & Emma have passed, but their work is still around & a few of us remember some of the tricks he taught. My favorite is: "Ven you need to drill a hard receiver, like an Eddystone, find the cheapest carbon drill you have, make sure it is sharp and then heat it up red hot. Hold it vith a pliers & shtick it in a red onion - the sugar vill carbonize & hardface the drill & you can drill through glass vith it! (it also makes your shop smell vonderful)"
 
I really enjoy driving over to my smith...but once Jim Hoag is gone, I'm completely out of luck here in gun hating Cali...

Speaking of, San Francisco's last gun shop is closing due to all the stupid regulations imposed.:mad:
 
Guess I am lucky I have a buddy that is a "retired" smith but will still work on revolvers for friends. I just dropped one off yesterday for timing and push off issues. He told me he would have it fixed in a week or so.
 
Some of you members up around NYC ought to remember George Beitzinger (spelling?) He did up a battered A3 springfield for me many years ago. I recently read in the Accurate forums that George had retired and sold his lathe. He used to do some beautiful custom rifles that were featured in the yearly Gun Digest. Frank
 
Hey fellas, first post.
While it is true that Franz is no longer around, Emma, (my grandma), is still around and loving life. I started an account here just now because I would like to get in contact with a gunsmith that was taught by my grandpa. I have a oberndorf action that Franz fully tuned up and smoothed out. In honor of it being an heirloom piece, I was hoping to find one of his students to help me barrel it. I am looking into an obermyer barrel blank. This is something of a journey for me, any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, I would love to hear any more stories of them in their early days. sorry to thread jack.

One last thing. I still have a few of the large 1950's and 1960's Gun Digest magazines that feature some of her work.



WINCHESTER MODEL1873 LEVER ACTION RIFLE ENGRAVED AND GOLD INLAID BY EMMA ACHLEITHNER.

Emma Achleithner, the lady who engraved this 1873 Winchester taught me the basics of engraving. Her husband, Frantz, taught me gunsmithing. Both of these wonderful individuals taught at OIT while I was there in the late 1970's. Frantz took a leaf off an old truck spring home & two weeks later brought in a complete double set trigger assembly for a double barrel shotgun that he had created using only hand tools. He annealed the spring in Emma's kitchen oven, laid out the design & hand drilled the periphery of the parts before sawing the outlines with a hacksaw, then finishing each part with a hand file. He disdained the use of machinery when the job could be done by hand. It was a beautiful creation, with the finish slow rust blueing and wheat straw coloring on the triggers and springs.

We would hang around after hours & talk with Frantz, listening while he shared his life experiences. He had trained at Ferlach, Austria as a master gunsmith, then apprenticed to become a master tool & die maker. His first year as apprentice consisted of sweeping and wiping machinery & hand filing a lump of steel into a perfect square. Next, he was instructed to hand file the square into a sphere, and with that accomplished, so was his time as an apprentice.

He was inducted into the Werschmant after the Anschluss & ended up on Eastern front where he was captured at Stalingrad. Because he was an Austrian, he received better treatment & eventually was released to return home. He talked of walking for two months to make the journey. After the war, he made his living by scrounging old tools that had been lost in burned out factories & refurbishing them for his own use, while building sub-caliber rifles for the farmers to use for rodent control as all firearms had been confiscated by the Allies.

Both Frantz & Emma have passed, but their work is still around & a few of us remember some of the tricks he taught. My favorite is: "Ven you need to drill a hard receiver, like an Eddystone, find the cheapest carbon drill you have, make sure it is sharp and then heat it up red hot. Hold it vith a pliers & shtick it in a red onion - the sugar vill carbonize & hardface the drill & you can drill through glass vith it! (it also makes your shop smell vonderful)"
 
If all of the gunsmiths are going away, how does Brownells stay in business? Their catalogue of gunsmithing tools gets thicker every year...
 
If all of the gunsmiths are going away, how does Brownells stay in business? Their catalogue of gunsmithing tools gets thicker every year...

My experience is that Brownell's primary customers now are people who think they are gunsmiths . . . Much like Lowes and Home Depot cater to people who think they are carpenters . . .
 
I needed the services of a 'smith recently & was surprised to find very few still around.
You should see California. I started gunsmithing because I tried to get a simple trigger job on a Beretta and the "lead time" was six months. Ridiculous and the prices are obscene.
 
All the real smiths around here have passed. All that's left is
guys who can put a part in a sem-auto who think they are smiths. I looked for over a year to find a smith to cut barrel
and reset sight on a SA. The big name boys will do it but the
estimate they give you will make your head spin. They don't
want run of the mill jobs, so they price you out. I ha d to send
gun to Texas from Ohio to get done. It wasn't cheap, but fair
and work was very good, with just a few weeks turn over.
 
My 'smith, Bill, passed sometime in '07, about the time of my accident. Once I was physically able to get back into shooting, I had to find a 'smith that I could have confidence in. I have been fortunate, in that I have had little need for a 'smith.

When my Model 57 stopped working properly, it went back home to the factory. When I needed a bolt gun to be glass bedded, I turned to a member of my gun club, and I was impressed at the job. Fortunately, to get to his shop, which is open part time, it is a 2+ hour trip. However, I had two needs for my Remington 700 Long Range. The first need was to get the receiver drilled and tapped for a Redfield rear sight base. The few "'smiths" around here that would consider the job were talking a $100 plus, with at least a week turn around, which was unacceptable. Fortunately, a friend suggested Bobby Hart (of the Hart barrel family) in Nescopeck Pa, a 4+ hour drive. Bobby quoted less than $100, with less than a 2 hour turn around. When I finished, his shop drilled and tapped the receiver, cut a retention groove on the muzzle for the front sight, and some trigger work, all for about $130.

The second issue was more catastrophic. Typically, 2 out of 3 rounds fired required the assistance of a 2x4 to open the bolt. Club members felt that my loads were too hot. Close examination of the spent brass showed scratches parallel to the bore, suggesting a rough chamber, 2 weeks before Camp Perry. A quick call, and I had an appointment for the next day. It was about an $80 shop visit, but I had a same day turn around for an extremely rough chamber being polished. Bobby's shop is now getting all of my rifle work.

Sadly, I think all that my handguns will be returned to the factory when they need functioning repairs, with the exception of my Mauser HSC. I doubt few of my handguns will get race jobs.
 
Yes the good ones are retiring and the void is not being back filled.

I started buying surplus rifles and restocking them with Fajen factory 2nd stocks. Learned to glass bed actions. All things one reads about but no one within 200 miles to do it.

Started action repair for the same reason. It eventually became my night job. Finally I wanted to do other things or gain time back to work on my stuff.

While in STL I traded into a Manlicher Schoenour in 270, Nice. Gun show. It had some cheap dinged scope mounts on it. When I went to remove them someone had ruined the screws on the rear mount. I took it to a smith, leave it, don't know when, $50 per hole to remove them. I took the gun home, bought a table top drill press, drilled them out filed down a nail, hardened it, tapped it in and the screws came right out. This paid for the drill press that was used many times.

When I was in my early 20's there was a pawn shop-gun shop close by, the owner was a quiet but nice guy, he preferred to do real gunsmithing work in the back and let his sons run the shop. I hung out in the back learning all I could from him. I thought was he did was incredible. Pulling bbls, rebarreling, cutting in chambers. Fixing handguns. I did learn from him and he also went too quickly.
 
I hear guys complain all the time about the cost of gun smith services or anything to do with guns. They think a rate of $65/hr is outlandish.

Thats less than most car dealerships charge per hour for engine work.
 

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