Is NASA a waste of money?

Yes, NASA is a "waste" of money.
Yes, it is essential to the prestige of America.
Yes, thousands depend on it for their livelihood.
Yes, we should fund it indefinitely.
Yes, I live in Florida about 60 miles from the pads.
No, we are likely never going anywhere "meaningful" in space. (That's why it's called "space"). We might be able to turn a buck from it though in "low orbit adventures" which seems like the BO plan. Joe
 
I didn't catch the "low orbit adventures"part.I'll guess my sat is OK for now.How long till we farm it out to some other country?

D.G.
 
Couldn't imagine life without nasa. Some of my coolest early memories are of sitting indian style on the floor watching the launches.
 
shtr1 said:
Couldn't imagine life without nasa. Some of my coolest early memories are of sitting indian style on the floor watching the launches.
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Was that in school?I learned to put my head between my legs and kiss my ...goodbye.It was scary.

D.G.
 
NASA has been a part of my life. I certainly hope it survives.
As a kid of the 60's I grew up several miles from the NASA facility at Langley AFB in Va. I can still remember the distant roar of the "big" wind tunnel occasionally spinning up, night or day. There were several, but you always knew when the "big one" was in use. Whenever I was on base with my parents, I would ask them to drive through the NASA area.
I also remember seeing my teachers cry in 1967 when the 3 astronauts died in the Apollo 204 capsule fire at Cape Kennedy. Mercury Blvd. was the main drag, named after the Mercury Space program. Along that road is the Virgil Grissom Bridge. Further down that same road is the Aerospace Park, with winged craft and rockets from the 50's and 60's. I used to climb the steel steps to peer into the cockpits of the planes and imagine flying through the air in one of them.

Today, my brother-in-law operates some of the remaining wind tunnels at NASA. They are slowly being phased out. What remains mostly gets leased for private company research. He used to help with some Winston Cup team aero testing, but even they have gone elsewhere.
With our country's current fiscal mess, it doesn't surprise me that NASA would be a prime target for cut-backs. But I don't have to like it.
 
NASA needs to be abolished. I worked at NASA when I owned my own engineering firm in the '80's. It was obsolete then. NASA largest customer is the Air Force and CIA. It's like money laundering with the federal budget. There are real private firms that are making more advances in space then NASA can accomplish with 1000x the money. Our government uses the 1960 pride we had in beating Russia into space (oh wait, we didn't beat anyone did we) to fund an incredibly inefficient bureaucracy whose only really accomplishment is to secretly support the defense agencies. Many huge America telecommunications companies are going overseas to launch their satellites.
 
The sun dying isn't going to happen.
obama also said NASA should find out how to get along with muslims.
I already know, but I can't post it here.
I received a transistor radio in ~~1957 very small for it's day. The space race did that and much more for electronics.
I know this is an old website, but not much was put in here.
 
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NASA has a purpose....

In the early days, NASA was vital to our space program. Rocket development was in the early stages. Now, technical knowledge from 60 years of space program is available to anybody. It makes sense that private companies could do the routine jobs like lifting into orbit. NASA has a lot of unmanned projects that have paid off in big time in exploration. The payoff from pure exploration probably doesn't come until much later and comes in technical advancements that companies can then exploit and keep our economy strong. I think NASA is well suited for spending money on research w/o seeing a quick and direct return.
 
NASA is very worthwhile... IN THEORY.

However if you read a lot of what Jerry Pournelle (scientist and SF writer) writes, IN PRACTICE it often works to the detriment of the exploration of space, ESPECIALLY manned exploration.

I worked at NASA Lewis in the '80s and '90s, and NASA is DEFINITELY a government organization with all that entails.

For every von Braun there's a Lois Lerner.
 
THE PILGRIM said:
I am a results guy-
Why are American Astronauts riding Russian rockets?
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Well, what if Glasnost really didn't mean "transparency" and Perestroika really didn't mean "restructuring" like we were told but in fact really mean "Their Space Station will be ours" and "They will ride in our rockets!"

It's a consiracy, man, don't you see it?
 
Sure NASA is expensive but can You even imagine the cost and quality of things if the Public sector was doing those things?
 
e3mrk said:
Sure NASA is expensive but can You even imagine the cost and quality of things if the Public sector was doing those things?
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Doing what things???? Waste our tax dollars by the billions??? NASA is one of, if not the biggest waste' of money in this country. The day I get elected president me and the dude in charge of that outfit are going to have a sit down, and I mean within minutes of my inauguration. Swear in, hand on the bible and then it's, "you there...head NASA moron, meet me in the oval office not now, RIGHT NOW!!!!!
He is going to tell me exactly what they have accomplished and just why they need to stay operational. Then, no matter what he says I am shutting them down. And I don't mean now, RIGHT NOW. GONE as in cease to exist, every last worthless money wasting one of them.
It is absolutely ridiculous, we got people starving to death, sleeping out in the cold and those idiots are flying around in their multi BILLION dollar toys. And what have they ever accomplished besides wasting a lot of tax money???? ZERO
 
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The most ridiculous argument.....

THE PILGRIM said:
I am a results guy-
Why are American Astronauts riding Russian rockets?
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We couldn't make an Apollo capsule today, we don't have the skill or tooling and every template used doesn't exist anymore.

The could make a gutted Apollo with basic controls to get it in and out of orbit instead of the moon and carry 6 people per trip with cargo in the service module where all the supplies for going to the moon aren't stored.
 
I have not read the thread at all. Just answering the thread title's question.

No.

(There ya go. No need to thank me. It was an easy and obvious answer. Glad to be of help.:))
 
roundgunner said:
NASA has had a very mixed history.
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It does and it is mainly because they let so much politics get into their function not to mention DOD money and influence. That said, the Hubble space telescope has returned knowledge that is beyond price and rewrote all the textbooks I studied in school. So we wasted a ton of money but did get some good return in a few specific places that was a good value at any cost.
 
mtgianni said:
NASA allows us to introduce technology we stole from the alien space ships that crash on our planet. If it is eliminated what will those that believe in conspiracy theories do?
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NASA got in deep sauce back in the 80's. problem was, we needed to keep the shuttles flying frequently so that we had a vehicle to build the space base defense systems..... and they had to keep coming up with legitimate civilian reasons to keep spending all the money. The next giant sinkhole was the space station which, again, was an essential framework from which space based defense platforms could be built, deployed and maintained. So the mars program suddenly appeared.

As I said, some of the greatest gains in human knowledge have come courtesy of NASA's work so I dispute any claim the money was wasted.... but at the same time, they lack oversight and have burned money by the trillions on things that clearly are not worth the cost (like going to mars IMHO).

I think we should have a space program but a little more transparency and fiscal restraint would be a nice change.
 
msinc said:
Doing what things???? Waste our tax dollars by the billions??? NASA is one of, if not the biggest waste' of money in this country. The day I get elected president me and the dude in charge of that outfit are going to have a sit down, and I mean within minutes of my inauguration. Swear in, hand on the bible and then it's, "you there...head NASA moron, meet me in the oval office not now, RIGHT NOW!!!!!
He is going to tell me exactly what they have accomplished and just why they need to stay operational. Then, no matter what he says I am shutting them down. And I don't mean now, RIGHT NOW. GONE as in cease to exist, every last worthless money wasting one of them.
It is absolutely ridiculous, we got people starving to death, sleeping out in the cold and those idiots are flying around in their multi BILLION dollar toys. And what have they ever accomplished besides wasting a lot of tax money???? ZERO
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Then why are you having the meeting?
 
I'm damn frugal and fiscally conservative, but I think it important to point out that NASA's budget is about 0.6% of the entire Federal budget in FY2016.

I know $19 billion isn't chump change and we could use cuts everywhere across the board, and a much less powerful FedGov...

But NASA isn't exactly the largest thing breaking the bank. Not even close, by a very long shot.

And while the various missions have at times been of dubious value, many of the things learned are in trades and craftwork and manufacturing skills that we're not doing so well at anymore. An example was welding aluminum. Pre-Apollo, folks just didn't even know how to make long accurate welds in thin aluminum. It was a significant problem for most of the program and craftsmen simply learned and got better at it. Much much better.

Shuttle was a disaster of planning and a boondoggle of mixed missions that doomed the project from Day One, but the complexity and systems integration knowledge learned is second to none. We wouldn't have many of our current crop of amazing aerospace systems if it weren't for Shuttle pushing those engineering boundaries.

All of the program's pushed materials engineering to its limits. Even the venerable "Reinforced Carbon-Carbon" wing leading edges that ultimately doomed Columbia and her crew were an almost unheard of use of materials at the time of initial design, and massive amounts of work went into both creating and certifying these types of things for manned space flight. (Unfortunately when you fire large chunks of insulation foam at RCC panel material at supersonic speeds, they shatter. Too bad that air cannon test wasn't done sooner. Many engineering people involved simply stood with their mouth open in shock and sadness when they realized what they had just seen.)

In all, while our space program may often have been misguided or driven by strange goals at times, it really does push many engineering efforts to the very limits of knowledge, and the information learned for the most part is freely available to the public, including business who don't have massive R&D staff to accomplish similar design, build, test, and certification goals.

If absolutely nothing else, the Shuttle fatalities and two accidents, have given wicked good examples of how to cut the red tape and investigate two significant accidents. The results have shown that certain management styles can be fatal.

And let's not forget an intangible. Hope. So many people stuck in drudgery and dead end jobs could always watch and see what NASA was up to, maybe have a few astronauts as their heroes, and wish they could go to space and see the earth from that vantage point, or the moon... Unmanned probes are safer, more cost effective, and better in nearly every way except one thing...

Knowing people are "up there" as you catch a glimpse of Shuttle or ISS (or both chasing one another after undocking or just prior to docking) zooming across the sky, just visible to the naked eye. It's sobering, and was something we could almost all be intensely proud of our country and its accomplishments.

Manned space flight is never routine (as much as NASA claimed it was) but as a source of heroes and heroines, It's second to none.

How many people did any one flight trigger a desire to decide that aerospace engineering was the thing they wanted to do for a living.

It's a pretty good way to see the practical application.
 
I wonder if upper management trying to follow disjointed administration directives may or may not have resulted in a lack of solid direction since Kennedy challenged them to reach the moon by the end of the decade. Those days of unlimited funding was a hard habit to break.
 
Because of NASA, we can look at what China, Russia, North Korea, ISIL, and plenty of others are up to. Is it a waste of money? How about starting just with the successful retaliation attacks in the war on terrorists that have happened because of the technology we have in orbit?
 
Rick Blaine and NASA

No NASA, then you'd never have seen these:

Top 10 Hubble Photos - Photo Gallery - National Geographic Magazine

As Rick Blaine said:

"I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that and give NASA enough money to do more research like this. This is what science is all about."
 
NASA is the spirit of human curiosity and exploration. What if Columbus's exploratory voyages had never been funded. Or Magellan or da Gama. Yes, NASA is good thing.

If not for Ponce de Leon, we would not have the fountain of youth. :)
 
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denverpilot said:
I'm damn frugal and fiscally conservative, but I think it important to point out that NASA's budget is about 0.6% of the entire Federal budget in FY2016.

I know $19 billion isn't chump change and we could use cuts everywhere across the board, and a much less powerful FedGov...

But NASA isn't exactly the largest thing breaking the bank. Not even close, by a very long shot.
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If your investment budget does not have at least 1% "gambling money" you will never realize great gains. That is what NASA is to me, and I would prefer it to spending on almost all social programs.
 
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