Is Sig becoming the new S&W of old?

[Muss Muggins]

Yes. What's a 52-1

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It's pretty special. Looks and basically works like a 39, chambered for .38 S&W Special. Not many around.

 

[CS45Fan]

... my Sigs and 9 mils are multiplying like rabbits! ...

I hear ya on that! Just purchased a new p229c carry SAS model from Tanners Sports Center for $599! Sig MSRP on this model is $1,100 and on GB they go between $800 to $1000! I actually like Sig more than my HK (just a personal preference). HK are excellent firearms as well.

You can tell Sigs are well made when you open them up. Nice to see full rails on the frame too.

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

I hear ya on that! Just purchased a new p229c carry SAS model from Tanners Sports Center for $599! Sig MSRP on this model is $1,100 and on GB they go between $800 to $1000! I actually like Sig more than my HK (just a personal preference). HK are excellent firearms as well.



You can tell Sigs are well made when you open them up. Nice to see full rails on the frame too.

There ya go! I alternate carry between a 4013TSW, a Sig P226 Mk 25 and an HK USP .45 compact... I have an identity crisis... I need counseling! [emoji50]

 

[ColbyBruce]

BTW, ColbyBruce. I'm still envious of your collection.

Both of the HK P7 pistols I bought have the heel release, commercial models. The bottom gun I gave my son, the top one is a 1997 PSP marked gun with the flush mag release. I used to carry his all the time. Then he turned 21 years old, and came back home for it. Mine is too nice to carry constantly, LOL!!

 

[James&theGiant1911]

I hear ya on that! Just purchased a new p229c carry SAS model from Tanners Sports Center for $599! Sig MSRP on this model is $1,100 and on GB they go between $800 to $1000! I actually like Sig more than my HK (just a personal preference). HK are excellent firearms as well.

You can tell Sigs are well made when you open them up. Nice to see full rails on the frame too.

That is a deal, is it used though? I could see that price used bug new I paid 300 bucks more for mine but it is 357 sig and that is when that caliber was very hard to find

 

[CS45Fan]

That is a deal, is it used though? I could see that price used bug new I paid 300 bucks more for mine but it is 357 sig and that is when that caliber was very hard to find

Brand new never opened in the plastic case! The blue tie from manufacturer had to be cut off by the dealer to open the case. It was a 40SW. I plan on buying a 357 sig barrel when they are back in stock.

Cheers!

 

[TexasRaider]

I have to vote for 'yes' on that....since S&W rudely abandoned the metal frame / hammer fired market, Sig and Beretta pretty much have it to themselves, and I much, much prefer the Sig line. MSRP's are always overblown and smart shoppers can find new or 'like new' LEO trade in's for a fair price.

I have a P226 DA/SA from 1998 that I bought when my dept. switched to the DAK trigger platform, it has probably 15K to 20K rounds through it and it keeps trucking. Can't imagine a better pure gunfighting pistol on Earth, and the robust frame eats the recoil nicely. Going from a metal Sig P series to a striker fired pop gun feels like getting out of a new Camaro and getting into a Prius. Yeah, they start and go every time, but they feel chinzy, are too light to really use hot loads and can't be abused too much without going 'Kb!' in some cases.

Those Sig's are like Tiger tanks, man....




Edited to show the aforementioned beast. Carried for many, many years and provides no small assurance of its potential in resolving certain types of problematic happenstances....

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

Those Sig's are like Tiger tanks, man....

German engineering at its best!

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Brand new never opened in the plastic case! The blue tie from manufacturer had to be cut off by the dealer to open the case. It was a 40SW. I plan on buying a 357 sig barrel when they are back in stock.

Cheers!

Yeah I looked them up they must have bought some of the over run 40s or something. 599 is a crazy good price for a SAS p229,

 

[Ed Fowler]

My first pistol was a S&W, my last pistol was a S&W and most in between have been Smith & Wesson. Something tells me they are here to stay.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

That's not a bad price but I don't know too many people looking to spend that kind of money on a gun. I know I'm not. And if S&W makes their 3rd gens again and at that price I doubt there would be too many sales.

The M1006 retailed for $720 in 1990. In todays dollars that'd be about $1351 in inflation alone. We'd all like to buy a newly made 3rd Gen at 1990 prices too but that's not going to happen. No doubt that's part of the appeal of their plastic guns.

Seeing that SIG makes (4) different versions of the P220-10, & all their different versions of the P220-45 sure is reminiscent of S&W's old days.

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[TTSH]

The M1006 retailed for $720 in 1990. In today's dollars that'd be about $1351 in inflation alone. We'd all like to buy a newly made 3rd Gen at 1990 prices too but that's not going to happen. No doubt that's part of the appeal of their plastic guns.

These kinds of "then vs. now" comparisons always blow my half-senile old mind. To me, a brand new all-metal Sig is a very expensive handgun. But I live in a world dominated by modern plastic wonders and, for me in particular, used S&W 3rd Gens. The average cost to me for all the new & used handguns I have bought in the last several years is within pennies of $425.00... including shipping, transfer fee and/or sales tax as applicable. Hard capped at $500 out the door without wife pre-approval, I think I'm done damn well in terms of getting the most bang for my limited bucks.

Now comes the proper time to consider a brand new MA-compliant Sig P226 9mm and the price just floors me. I can buy at least two barely used S&W 3rd Gens or three plastic wonder guns for the best available discounted price of the Sig! And even going "slightly used" doesn't save me enough money to be worth it (and I refuse to go with a .40 LEO trade-in). In truth, I can almost buy two brand new Beretta 92FS pistols in black for the same net cost as the one Sig P226.

But I'm going to do it anyway. It's time for me to own a new Sig all-metal pistol. In fact, the finances and the good wife's approval are already in place. Just waiting for the damn thing to arrive back in stock at the store where I need to purchase it.

 

[DanHend]

The M1006 retailed for $720 in 1990. In todays dollars that'd be about $1351 in inflation alone. We'd all like to buy a newly made 3rd Gen at 1990 prices too but that's not going to happen. No doubt that's part of the appeal of their plastic guns.
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I'd buy a new 1006 (but prefer a 1066). It would cost about the same as a stainless Sig does now.

 

[K Frame Keith]

My agency issued the HK P7-M8 in the 80's immediately after the NJSP selected the weapon. I loved mine. They were issued with 5 magazines. Accurate, fast and reliable. The trigger is a single action. Ambidextrous mag release. No manual safety.
The manual of arms is absolutely unique. Gripping the front strap grip cocker both cocks the striker and/or drops the slide. Releasing the grip cocker safely drops the striker making the weapon safe. So, when you fire the weapon dry simply drop the empty magazine, reload and squeeze the grip cocker to drop the slide on a fresh round. Very, very fast.
I regret missing the chance to buy mine when they were replaced.
They do have a reliability issued that we did encounter as did the NJSP in that the mechanism is filled with tiny piano wire springs that were subject to failure after heavy use. One spring breaks and the weapon is neutered. The NJSP tragically lost a brave Trooper to just such a malfunction. Following that incident all our weapons were returned for spring replacement and HK advised us to periodically change the springs as preventative maintenance. Usually there were very reliable, occasionally one would blow off the extractor but the weapon would invariably continue to fire and we would find it missing at the end of the shooting session.
To help prevent thread theft: I want a SIG too!

 

[Arik]

My agency issued the HK P7-M8 in the 80's immediately after the NJSP selected the weapon. I loved mine. They were issued with 5 magazines. Accurate, fast and reliable. The trigger is a single action. Ambidextrous mag release. No manual safety.
The manual of arms is absolutely unique. Gripping the front strap grip cocker both cocks the striker and/or drops the slide. Releasing the grip cocker safely drops the striker making the weapon safe. So, when you fire the weapon dry simply drop the empty magazine, reload and squeeze the grip cocker to drop the slide on a fresh round. Very, very fast.
I regret missing the chance to buy mine when they were replaced.
They do have a reliability issued that we did encounter as did the NJSP in that the mechanism is filled with tiny piano wire springs that were subject to failure after heavy use. One spring breaks and the weapon is neutered. The NJSP tragically lost a brave Trooper to just such a malfunction. Following that incident all our weapons were returned for spring replacement and HK advised us to periodically change the springs as preventative maintenance. Usually there were very reliable, occasionally one would blow off the extractor but the weapon would invariably continue to fire and we would find it missing at the end of the shooting session.
To help prevent thread theft: I want a SIG too!

And unfortunately NJSP threw all their P7s into a wood chipper. They did that with their P228 as well

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[K Frame Keith]

Another interesting fact: holding the trigger back then cocking, the weapon will fire. Squeeze both at the same time, the weapon will fire. Sorta like the Winchester 97.

 

[K Frame Keith]

We always traded our surplus weapons, don't know if they still do. Jersey is not what you call a gun friendly zone.

 

[10P8TRIOT]

Just to get things back on track a bit, love my SIGs ...

P239, 9mm, SA/DA, SRT, Crimson Trace, 2000
P220 Carry SAS, .45ACP, SAO, SIG Custom Shop, 2012
P230SL, 9mm kurz, SA/DA, 1993
P226, 9mm, SA/DA, SRT, 2010
P225, 9mm, SA/DA, 1997

My latest acquisition was the P230SL. I've always liked the look of the P230/P232 but had never handled one. Saw this one on Gunbroker and made the minimum bid on impulse ... and won. The P230SL is now my summertime EDC; it is extremely concealable and a natural shooter for me. Maybe a little under powered, but loaded with Fiocchi Extrema XTP, powerful enough.

 

[DanHend]

Still in love with my Legion SAO.

Seeing that SIG makes (4) different versions of the P220-10, & all their different versions of the P220-45 sure is reminiscent of S&W's old days.

I forgot to address this earlier, but the difference between what Sig does and S&W did was for the most part, the Sigs are mechanically the same on the inside for their variants. Instead of new internals for every submodel, the differences are mostly the addition of a beavertail, different grips, sights, or finishes.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Still in love with my Legion SAO.





I forgot to address this earlier, but the difference between what Sig does and S&W did was for the most part, the Sigs are mechanically the same on the inside for their variants. Instead of new internals for every submodel, the differences are mostly the addition of a beavertail, different grips, sights, or finishes.

Yup. A Sig semiauto is akin to a S&W revolver . . .