Is the Slide fire going to be history?

[ISCS Yoda]

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Everyone is in agreement, NRA included. Smart.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

My personal comment on the bump stock/slide fire is that it doesn't matter that a good shooter can rapidly fire his/her semi-auto rifle or pistol, or a cowboy action shooter/Bob Munden can do it with a lever rifle or a single action pistol. That is a physical skill that a person can acquire. A bump stock/slide fire is a contraption designed to circumvent the law by mechanically doing what an internal sear is not allowed to do except in a taxed/regulated Class III weapon. As a rule of thumb the law always says that you cannot do indirectly what you cannot do directly and in this case that maxim is violated by a device that should have been an NFA item in 2010. A smart man invented it, a veteran I am told, and I understand his business acumen and engineering skill and his skill at dodging the regulations and I can admire him for all three.

But in the clarity of hindsight what I said in 2010 when I learned of these devices is still correct - they belong in the NFA regulated category if my little leather Galco wallet covering a 2 shot derringer is an NFA "any other weapon". It is neither sensible nor legally consistent to regulate a chunk of leather and not regulate a device capable of turning a semi-automatic rifle into what very closely resembles and functions as a fully automatic rifle.

Unanimity in Congress, the Senate, the White House, and with NRA support is a good thing this time.

 

[pharmer]

The way I'm reading the Congresscritters babblespeak, "They are considering options regarding 'modifications' that circumvent the spirit of the 1934 NFA regulation." Unfortunately, rubber bands are more efficient, expedient, inexpensive and ubiquitous. As are AR15's. The devil is once again in the details. Joe

 

[Watchdog]

Senator Feinstein is introducing a Bill to ban Bump Fire and Trigger Cranks.

I am okay with this, but it should be combined with some pro-2A stuff like national concealed carry and allowing the shipment of handguns and ammo through the Post Office.

You're living in a dream world. Or some parallel universe. That has about as much chance of happening as I have of walking to Los Angeles and back this afternoon.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Well there ya go...

“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre and Executive Director Chris Cox added in a joint statement.

The only question now is will pro gun legislators and the NRA be able to negotiate removing other gun regulations for such additional regulations, or will this turn out to be just a belly-up capitulation.

 

[Drm50]

Yes, being educated on the subject is key.

SlideFire does not at all not fit the definition of an automatic weapon. With the SlideFire installed, for every single discharge the trigger still must be pressed. That has been explained more than once in this thread.

The SlideFire stock has no automatically functioning mechanical parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed. The ATF found it to simply be a firearm part and not regulated as a firearm by the GCA or NFA.


As far as background... here is the ATF letter of June 2010 on the subject.

http://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf

Education is key, for bump fire to work you must keep the trigger
depressed. If you had to pull the trigger every time what would
you gain over semi auto mode. The Bump fire stock action
replaces the action of shooter having to pull trigger for each shot.
We have people wanting to argue over something they know
nothing about. If your finger is not in position it would be in while firing, the bump fire won't work. If it did you would have a run away gun, it would fire until empty. The concept is using you trigger finger as a firing stud against returning recoil. I know nothing about legal language that allows
Legal status.

 

[gdogs]

Like it or not, bump stocks will likely end up on the chopping block. I just hope we can manage to get something out of the deal. Complete removal of all NFA fees would work for me. I can live with the extra hassle in terms of regulating them, but that unconstitutional tax really doesn't sit well with me. How long until they impose the same tax on purchasing a standard firearm? Just a bad precedent to let stand in my opinion.

 

[pharmer]

How long until they impose the same tax on purchasing a standard firearm?

You already pay a Federal Excise Tax (2013) of 11% on most shooting stuff (long guns ammo etc) and 10% on handguns. $50 tax on a $500 Glock, a lot more % than $200 stamp on a $25K Thompson. Joe

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Its a cave in that is for sure. But at least I hope they allow people to keep them and register them under NFA even if they do not allow anymore in the pool. So many of our own ranks are cave in collaborators. I have known many who let their NRA membership go because they did not back banning the AR15 and AKs back in 94. We won because we stuck together for the most part and voted out the sell outs.

NRA's endorsement of further gun regulation I think will cost them support unless they are able to spin something pro gun from this. I would expect to see some crowing from anti-gun adversaries of the NRA followed by the usual attacks.

The question becomes... what happens if a guy does something similar without a bump fire? Will the NRA again suggest further regulation on a gun you and I own? That's a question I think the NRA needs to get in front of.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Education is key, for bump fire to work you must keep the trigger
depressed.

We have people wanting to argue over something they know
nothing about.

Wrong.

The trigger cannot remain depressed. The trigger must be released.

Yes, there are people attempting to discusss this with a lack of knowledge. Let's try to remedy that just a little here.

Watch this vid. You will see how the trigger cannot stay depressed and fire another shot. Notice how the trigger must be released.

Hope this helps.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh2FjzVVIZY[/ame]

 

[Richard Simmons]

Not sure if everyone is aware but the Slidefire or bump stock was initially disallowed by ATFE. Later they changed their decision and determined that it did not in fact make a semiautomatic firearm into an NFA, automatic firearm. In a nutshell its legal and now that someone has used one after years of availability to commit a crime people are talking about a ban.

In order to ban them don't they need to redefine what constitutes an automatic weapon?

Im not really surprised by the number of people willing to lay down for a ban. I learned a long time ago that there are many people that own guns but few of them are gun owners. Those of you who are gun owners will understand.

 

[CZU]

What are you guys willing to give up the next time around?

 

[sigp220.45]

What are you guys willing to give up the next time around?

Pachmayr grips. I hate them.

 

[keith44spl]

I've read all these posts..........

I've fired select fire and bump fire rifles and carbines.

There's a lot of posters on this thread that probably should
have remained in the shallow end of this here think tank from the on-set.

All y'all know who you are.

.

 

[Warren Sear]

It wasn't just Bill Ruger.

Significant portions of GCA 1968 were brought to us and fully supported by our very own American gun companies. As an industry, they saw the GCA 68 importation restrictions as a way to reduce competition and improve their market share - and lobbied accordingly.

Bill Ruger was a back-stabber and traitor who promoted banning large magazines.


In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Bill
Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to
outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms
(which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to
prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete,
and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of
defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The
large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes
the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could
prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these
objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by
"The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview
with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by
saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and, "I
never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"

Ol' Billy has passed to his heavenly reward. He is gone, but never forgotten. His legacy of banning magazines continues.

 

[Warren Sear]

...(blah, blah, blah)...when you're bump firing the risk of an out of battery detonation is too much to me...(blah, blah, blah)...

There is no additional risk of an "out of battery detonation" with any of the bump-firing devices or methods than there would be from firing the gun without. Stick to facts, please.

 

[jsfricks]

Like it or not, bump stocks will likely end up on the chopping block. I just hope we can manage to get something out of the deal. Complete removal of all NFA fees would work for me. I can live with the extra hassle in terms of regulating them, but that unconstitutional tax really doesn't sit well with me. How long until they impose the same tax on purchasing a standard firearm? Just a bad precedent to let stand in my opinion.

Here's what Allen West had to say today about the bump stock-

What I want from Rep. Curbelo’s legislation is this: a ban on “bump stocks”, sure, but also his legislation must include national reciprocity, ending the restrictions on suppressors for sportsmen, ending the restrictions on cosmetic modifications to firearms (as I specified), and reaffirming that the Second Amendment is the law of the land and no state or municipality can restrict or infringe upon it.

Here's the article if anyone is interested.
GOP rep to introduce “gun control” legislation; here’s why I support it - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

 

[Richard Simmons]

Chris Cox with NRA was on FNC and stated the NRA wants the ATFE to review the bumb stocks since they made the existing determinations rather than have congress bring up gun control legislation.

I could see the idiots in DC passing legislation that would most likely include not only a ban on these stocks but universal background checks, mag ban, etc.

It's a tactic and maybe not a bad one as it puts it back on ATFE and takes some of the wind out of the gun control frenzy.

 

[moosedog]

I for one will not miss the bump stock or the trigger cranks.

 

[jsfricks]

Here is another point, how long before someone puts out the file to 3d print a bump fire stock?How do you stop that?

Exactly what Allen West says in his article. If someone wants to do it they will find a way.