Is the Slide fire going to be history?

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After the reports from Las Vegas about the Slide Fire being involved in his weaponry, I imagine that will be forefront in the anti- gun attacks.
I don't own one but I believe that they will be a focus of the antis.
 
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I hope that even if we( I ) don't own one or even like them, that we will support those that do.
One day it may involve something that we do use.
After all, it's not the gun or the mechanics of the gun, but it's all about the operator of the gun.
 
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nachogrande said:
And also outlaw hammers since he used one to break the windows, or tripods. Even though I THINK those type devices just help you miss faster.
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The shooter was not aiming at individuals but at a distant crowd, so dumping a bunch of bullets into the crowd, before they figured out what was happening and scattered, was probably his top priority.

I suspect we will hear more about 50 and 100 round magazines in addition to bump stocks.
 
You(all) can count on an assault on anything tactical for the next few months. I doubt they will be banned, but the shooting is an excuse not to pass pro gun legislation.
 
It's already been announced that the silencer bill will not be brought before the house. I also thing the various rapid fire devices will shortly be history (that wouldn't even take an act of congress to do), and there will definitely and without any doubt shortly be a lot of attempts to ban all "large capacity" magazines.
 
Old_Cop said:
Slide fires mentioned in the news, but so were tripods, which would not work with each other. There's a distinct lid on what is coming out about the firearms and the perpetrator. I agree that the anti-sharks are circling and a united front response is required.
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They also mentioned scopes.......he had scopes!!!!

A gun by itself will kill everyone in sight. A gun with scopes and bipod and slide fires....oh my.....will kill everyone tomorrow, today!

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Hello, I got a slide fire when they first came out. I tried it, just away to waste ammo in my opinion, I took it off and it's back in the box on the shelf. Now might be a good time to sell it!
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There are some pictures going around on facebook, and I didn't see a slide fire stock. I am betting the guns were illegally modified.
 
nimbly said:
There are some pictures going around on facebook, and I didn't see a slide fire stock. I am betting the guns were illegally modified.
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No there's definitely at least one slide fire

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Ashlander said:
The shooter was not aiming at individuals but at a distant crowd, so dumping a bunch of bullets into the crowd, before they figured out what was happening and scattered, was probably his top priority.

I suspect we will hear more about 50 and 100 round magazines in addition to bump stocks.
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I agree. He was, at least initially, engaging an area target and more rounds before they scattered was probably a key reason for the high number of casualties. A bump fired AK or AR isn't accurate, but the resulting dispersion is actually more effective on an area target. It's the reason infantry machine guns rely on some degree of dispersion and a cone of fire to be effective, rather than putting one round directly behind the last one.

If he used one, I suspect large drum magazines are going to be a serious target for the anti-gun crowd.
 
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DWalt said:
It's already been announced that the silencer bill will not be brought before the house. I also thing the various rapid fire devices will shortly be history (that wouldn't even take an act of congress to do), and there will definitely and without any doubt shortly be a lot of attempts to ban all "large capacity" magazines.
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That's both unfortunate and ignorant - in addition to being political pandering.

The sad fact is that processing all that paperwork ties up nearly 90 ATF staff who would otherwise be engaged in more productive activity preventing actual crime and enforcing more meaningful laws.

And, this guy bought his guns over a period of years and he'd have been able to get a silencer if he wanted one.

Hilary tweeted about the crowd running after they heard gunshots. However, I suspect with the guy shooting from within a room 32 floors up and 400 yards away, the crowd was responding much more to the cracks of the supersonic bullets going by then they were to the actual report of the rifle. But a quote like that will take on a life of it's own and be considered to be irrefutable fact.

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I crunched the numbers and assuming 155 dB and no damping from shooting within the room, the sound 400 yards downrange is about 100 dB - about as loud as a lawn mower. Quiet enough to be lost in the noise of a panicked crowd. The supersonic cracks the bullets however would be much more noticeable as they are much closer.

A suppressor would have reduce the noise level from the muzzle blast to about 75 dB, but it would have made zero difference from the crowd's perspective, given the very audible cracks from the bullets. The suppressor would have just done a better job of suppressing the muzzle flash.
 
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Can't evern get on the bumpfiresystems.com website......alas the run has begun.
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Most retailers are reporting 'Out of stock'

I actually had to watch a U-Tube vid to see these in action as I never had before. I UNDERSTAND it's not true FA fire but it sure imitates it well. Nothing against them but like others said what a WASTE of ammo! I suspect most BF stocks were installed, ran a can of ammo and were either removed or put in to the SA fire mode and left there.
 
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BB57 said:
I agree. He was, at least initially, engaging an area target and more rounds before they scattered was probably a key reason for the high number of casualties. A bump fired AK or AR isn't accurate, but the resulting dispersion is actually more effective on an area target. It's the reason infantry machine guns rely on some degree of dispersion and a cone of fire to be effective, rather than putting one round directly behind the last one.
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In olden times it was called "beaten zone". One of the criticisms of the Bren gun was that it was too accurate, limiting its beaten zone.
 
BB57 said:
Hilary tweeted about the crowd running after they heard gunshots. However, I suspect with the guy shooting from within a room 32 floors up and 400 yards away, the crowd was responding much more to the cracks of the supersonic bullets going by then they were to the actual report of the rifle. But a quote like that will take on a life of it's own and be considered to be irrefutable fact.
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"Crack and thump" is something that not everyone can grasp, even if they want to.;)
 
Actually, one of the cell video clips one the news was recorded well back from the stage and all you hear is the sound of the gunfire, "pop pop pop..." In another clip, the sound is a sharp crackling intermixed with popping. That one was obviously recorded in the impact area. The crack is from the supersonic bullet, (and you always have to explain that you hear that first) the thump from the gunshot. The idea of the bullet getting there before the sound of the shot always seems to be a difficult concept for some folks to grasp. (You have to slowly explain supersonic means FASTER than sound, duh)
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Soldiers with combat experience know the phenomenon well. The Hildebeest, instead of her predictable pandering should have "remembered" hearing that while she was running from the sniper fire in Bosnia...
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Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure."

Judging from the videos I've watched, the bump stocks are faster than the binary triggers, which have a more relaxed pace like was heard in the footage from the shooting. Not that it helps our case, but apparently the sicko didn't know how to set up the guns nor run them at their peak.

Another aspect of this is that one of the arguments against demonizing legally owned full autos was that only rich people could afford one. Now here we have a filthy rich guy who owned a couple planes using "the poor man's SAW".
 
Arik said:
They also mentioned scopes.......he had scopes!!!!

A gun by itself will kill everyone in sight. A gun with scopes and bipod and slide fires....oh my.....will kill everyone tomorrow, today!

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I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
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nimbly said:
There are some pictures going around on facebook, and I didn't see a slide fire stock. I am betting the guns were illegally modified.
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I agree: the mainstream media will jump at anything that sounds like it may be the answer to the alleged "machine gun" theory, to be the first network to get it out. I don't think any gadget was used; I agree with nimbly that these weapons were illegally modified.
 
OLDSTER said:
I agree: the mainstream media will jump at anything that sounds like it may be the answer to the alleged "machine gun" theory, to be the first network to get it out. I don't think any gadget was used; I agree with nimbly that these weapons were illegally modified.
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I'm not sure if you looked at the pictures Arik placed in his post, but if they are truly pictures from the scene, there is a Slide Fire clearly seen.

The Sheriff yesterday also stated that at least one rifle had a bump stock in place.

While he certainly may have modified some of his other rifles, there seems to be no doubt that at least one of those used a Slide Fire, and I'm not sure what makes you think he didn't?

Perhaps you can enlighten me to what I'm missing.
 
gwpercle said:
I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
Gary
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I hate to speak for Arik, but have you ever heard of the term SARCASM?

If you haven't, I recommend that you look it up.

I realize sarcasm can at times be difficult to understand (on an online forum), but really, this wasn't that hard.
 
codenamedave said:
Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure."

Judging from the videos I've watched, the bump stocks are faster than the binary triggers, which have a more relaxed pace like was heard in the footage from the shooting. Not that it helps our case, but apparently the sicko didn't know how to set up the guns nor run them at their peak.

Another aspect of this is that one of the arguments against demonizing legally owned full autos was that only rich people could afford one. Now here we have a filthy rich guy who owned a couple planes using "the poor man's SAW".
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I'm by no means an expert, however, the Slide Fire is, to the best of my knowledge, a form of a "bump stock".

Perhaps you are more knowledgeable then me and can help educate me on what exactly the Slide Fire is, if not a "bump stock"? :confused: :confused: ;)
 
gwpercle said:
I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
Gary
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Then you clearly missed the point

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