Is the Slide fire going to be history?

[Guevera]

Not to sound like I am a thousand years old, but I remember when I was a teenager ordering a "BMF Activator," which me and a buddy screwed on a Marlin Model 60 with a squirrel pressed into the stock. We finally got that thing lined up right and let loose a dozen .22 rounds in a couple of seconds. We called it the "Squirrelnakaov."

Tin cans danced and cheap Kmart ammunition was gleefully wasted in the process as .22 brass poured out the side of that poor old Marlin. Boy, that was a lot of fun and a long time ago.

Compare that with the story of the f***up in Las Vegas - what a shame the world has changed its ways.

 

[WCCPHD]

You can't shout "Fire" in a crowded theater . . .

That's settled law. Have you heard anyone speak of any further restrictions on the so called "press?" The anti's are clamoring for more restrictions on the Second Amendment daily.

I just find it ironic that the 24/7 entertainment medium that hides behind the name "press" hides behind the First Amendment in their zeal to deny those they don't agree with the protections afforded by the Second Amendment.

 

[Muss Muggins]

That's settled law.

Agreed. And it's a direct refutation of your statement:

Third: I cannot recall anyone calling for common sense restrictions on any of
the provisions of the First Amendment. Such as restrictions on
Freedom of the Press.

 

[Xfuzz]

As normal a lot of huffin and puffin..grandstanding
by the elected official's. Much speculation by gun owners
and dealers. Buy this "it's gonna get Banned" stock up
on this(whatever)..always the monster under the bed.
Within 30 days it will be a forgotten event with only those
who lost a loved one to mourn.
Sad..

 

[WCCPHD]

There are tons of restrictions on the freedom of the press. They can't publish libelous statements with malice, they don't have unrestricted access to prisons, military bases, or other restricted areas. They can be jailed if they don't reveal certain sources. They can't have cameras in certain courtrooms. The freedom of the press is far from absolute.

A bump-fire stock isn't a firearm (and plenty of those are restricted, too). Its an accessory, and a pretty dumb one at that.

A ban on these is not only inevitable now, it is probably constitutionally sound. If the feds don't do it, plenty of states will, with probably far more reaching effects.

Don't own one, don't want one, don't see the need for one.

That said, the anti's don't look at this like you or I do. Its one more action chipping away at the Second Amendment. Like the anarchists clamoring to ban this or tear down that, the "subject at hand" is not their end game. They don't really care about this accessory. Its just one more tiny step toward their ultimate goal. They are very patient. They see any compromise as a win for them and a loss for anyone who disagrees with them.

As for your comment that if the feds don't the states will, that's directly from their playbook. Chip, chip, chip, anywhere, anytime. No matter how small or potentially insignificant, they see it as a win. A win that emboldens them and that's why I will never agree to give them any quarter.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[keith44spl]

Bump / slide fire............Or just quick on the trigger.

It makes little difference the object when used to cause terror and harm.

It's not what's in a man's hands, but what is in the hearts of men that count.


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[old tanker]

There are still a number of us with NFA firearms who felt betrayed by the NRA when they caved on the Hughes Amendment in passing FOPA in 1986. Do you remember gun writer Jim Zumbo going down in flames over his "who needs..." diatribe on black rifles? With the majority of gun owners NOT being hunters these days, some of them are calling fans of blue steel and walnut bolt guns, by the pejorative, "Fudds."

"Lord" Bensten "reclassified" the Stryker, the Streetsweeper and the USAS-12 as Destructive Devices by unilateral decree when he was Secretary of the Treasury. Calling them 'Designed for Combat,' Bensten directed the ATF to trace owners of the newly reclassified shotguns through manufacturers and dealers to notify them of the changes. Anyone who failed to register a "rapid-fire shotgun" 30 days after being notified was subject to maximum penalties of a 10-year jail sentence and a $250,000 fine.

Just because your favorite gun, or your style of shooting is not PRESENTLY under attack that they are not after yours. After all which one of the anti-gun groups has not had in their charter the goal of a complete end to civilians owning any form of firearm, while at the same time saying, they don't want YOUR gun, only common sense blah, blah blah...

Benjamin Franklin had some damn good advice, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

A $900 Harbor Freight milling machine and what Mr. Woznicki taught me in Metal Shop in 1962 could turn a paperweight into a felony over a weekend. How will they destroy the knowledge?

 

[WCCPHD]

Agreed. And it's a direct refutation of your statement:

Have you heard any member of Congress or any other elected official, or advocacy group for that matter, discuss placing "common sense" restrictions on the "freedom of the press?"

 

[rwt1405]

If I am more knowledgeable than you, it's in the area of basic English skills, specifically reading comprehension.

All Slide Fires are bump fire stocks, not all bump fire stocks are Slide Fires.

Or did you really think that Jessie meant that only Slide Fires would be banned, and not any other bump fire stocks?

Of course all Slide Fires are bump stocks, but not all bump stocks are Slide Fires, BUT what you wrote is.............

"Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure.""

So yes, the media was correct in identifying them as "bump stocks".

Sorry if I hurt your feelings asking for a clarification on what you wrote.

I thought, perhaps, I was missing something, my mistake.

You have a great day there, secret agent man.

 

[Mistered]

I think we need to stand firm on 2nd adm. But use common sense.

I agree but the problem is when the two words 'common sense' get mentioned they IMMEDIATELY become synonymous with 'not committed' with the group of gun owners who are CONVINCED 'common sense' will lead to your wheel guns, levers, bolts etc. being next on the list.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Have you heard any member of Congress or any other elected official, or advocacy group for that matter, discuss placing "common sense" restrictions on the "freedom of the press?"

I think I cited one that the Supreme Court put forward. Also, have you heard of the Fairness Doctrine? I know it's a Wikipedia link, but it's pretty accurate . . .

Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia

 

[WCCPHD]

I think I cited one that the Supreme Court put forward. Also, have you heard of the Fairness Doctrine? I know it's a Wikipedia link, but it's pretty accurate . . .

Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia

I'm speaking of freedom of the press and restriction theron. Not freedom of speech. I don't believe any politician has proposed any restrictions on the press. That was my point, not anything about freedom of speech.

In all the clamoring for more restrictions on the Second Amendment I don't think I have seen the "Fairness Doctrine" FAIRLY employed by the media.

 

[Stevens]

Used Surefire quad mags. Left side of the purple pillar and in the rifle

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Looks like a small sledge hammer on the floor to the right of the purple pillar
Probably used to break out the windows.
I have never seen a "Bump Stock" how do they work? I've got nothing to use one on and can't afford the excess ammo anyway.
Steve W

 

[LVSteve]

I consider bump fire devices a waste of ammo and a great way to discover if your cheap AR/AK will look good blown up on Youtube. Fun if you're into that kind of thing. We have also seen they can be devastating in the hands of a bad actor.

All that said I'm from the UK, so I know that when it comes to guns, don't let the legislators get a foot in the door.

 

[Arik]

Looks like a small sledge hammer on the floor to the right of the purple pillar
Probably used to break out the windows.
I have never seen a "Bump Stock" how do they work? I've got nothing to use one on and can't afford the excess ammo anyway.
Steve W

The stock and grip are one piece. The rifle sits in that "stock" and up against a spring. When the rifle is fired it slide back inside the stock and the spring pushes it back out. Your finger is still in the same position so the trigger is tripped and another shot is fired repeating the action

Here's a good simple video

See how 'bump stocks' made semi-automatic weapons more like machine guns in the Las Vegas shooting - LA Times

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[Walkingwolf]

I almost bet the bump fire systems will be outlawed. In essence it makes a semi auto a full auto action. I saw a video of a guy emptying a 100 round drum in less than a minute using a bump stock.

Yep I do believe it will be outlawed is for any reason it will be considered making the gun full auto action. You need a permit to own a full auto and I bet the bump stock will be classified the same category.


Mr5point56 slide fire 100rnd mag dump!! woot! - YouTube

It DOES NOT turn a semi into a full auto, the trigger HAS to pulled for every shot.

 

[Mistered]

It DOES NOT turn a semi into a full auto, the trigger HAS to pulled for every shot.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the design of the slide fire stock 'force' the finger into the trigger upon recoil As opposed to having to physically 'squeeze' the trigger to fire it? I do not own one nor have used one so I do not know but it seems the design of the stock negates the need to 'squeeze' the trigger.

 

[Josh66]

Slide fires mentioned in the news, but so were tripods, which would not work with each other. There's a distinct lid on what is coming out about the firearms and the perpetrator. I agree that the anti-sharks are circling and a united front response is required.

Definitely. I thought the same thing when they mentioned tripods (but maybe they were actually bi-pods and the media just doesn't know the difference...?).

The last I've read was that he had 23 or so guns in the room, 12 with bump-fire stocks. Nothing I've read has mentioned which weapons were actually used, and that would have been immediately obvious.

One article I saw said that some weapons were "converted". It wasn't clear whether they meant converted to full-auto, or if they meant that bump-fire stocks were installed (you can never really tell what they actually mean when the media is so thoroughly clueless about guns). Very few details have been released...

 

[ISCS Yoda]

My error. I stand corrected.full auto weapons can still be purchased if they were manufactured before 1986. New ones since that date are restricted to Class III FFLs and law enforcement. I apologize for the error.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

My error. I stand corrected.full auto weapons can still be purchased if they were manufactured before 1986. New ones since that date are restricted to Class III FFLs and law enforcement. I apologize for the error.

No biggie.

It's quite common for guys at our club who have been around firearms all their life to have no idea about class III stuff. I'm regularly asked how I got a suppressor because they think they're illegal. Or they think the Feds can simply barge into my home whenever they want without a warrant simply because of owning class III... on and on. Myth and misunderstanding about this subject is rife among otherwise well informed gun owners.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

You do realize that this is pointless right? With a little practice you can reload a magazine fed rifle or pistol in not much more than a second.

My guess is that he probably does realize that.

But... I believe some gun owners suffer the misguided notion that surrendering 2A freedoms somehow preserves 2A freedoms. In other words, if they don't surrender 2A freedoms under the guise of 'common sense' they risk greater loss. Of course history has demonstrated that the 'common sense' anti-gun crowd has an insatiable thirst for taking your 2A freedoms away. Still, it seems fashionable among some gun owners to run to the surrender button in a hopeless effort to placate gun-grabbers. Shortly after Sandy Hook many gun owners were quick to surrender to universal background checks. Just hours after Vegas and now we see gun owners quickly willing to surrender bump fire mechanisms or magazines with capacity of xx.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the design of the slide fire stock 'force' the finger into the trigger upon recoil As opposed to having to physically 'squeeze' the trigger to fire it? I do not own one nor have used one so I do not know but it seems the design of the stock negates the need to 'squeeze' the trigger.

Nope, actually pushing forward with the support hand is actually what increases the rate of fire with a bump stock. The rifle recoils to the rear letting the trigger reset, pushing the rifle forward facilitates a rhythm pulling of the trigger. The same thing can be done with a standard stock with practice. Bump stock will not get that rhythm without pushing the forend forward.

No matter how I explain it, a semi auto is a semi auto, and not capable of firing more than one round per trigger pull. It is just a very fast mag dump is all it is. In fact high rates of fire can be accomplished with revolvers. Jerry shooting 12 rounds in under 3 seconds. That is an effective fire rate at over 240 rounds per minute.

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[Walkingwolf]

Should we also outlaw the single action revolver?

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[Walkingwolf]

How about lever actions?

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[moralem]

For all intent and purpose the slide fire is essentially now out of the hands of the public.....slide fire has shut down taking any more orders........so we shall see if they ever come back on line.

 

[Dave Lively]

Well, you have been wrong for thirty years. Assault rifles are ALWAYS full auto, no conversion necessary.

I knew someone would get pedantic about that which is why assault rifles was in quotes.

The meaning of words change over time. For example "gay" no longer means lighthearted and fun, when was the last time you heard it used that way?

For most of the US public "assault rifle" means a semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine that looks like a true military assault rifle. When someone describes an AR-15 as an assault rifle I know what they mean, you know what they mean, everyone knows what they mean. So that is what it means. Some obsolete definition in a 50+ year old book somewhere is irrelevant.

 

[Wee Hooker]

If these devices are all the US gun community loses out of this, we should count ourselves lucky.

 

[Muss Muggins]

If these devices are all the US gun community loses out of this, we should count ourselves lucky.

This time . . .

 

[BigDog48]

I know this won't be a popular question, but what are the various rapid-fire devices like Bumpstock good for, except burning through ammo?

If anyone can describe a real purpose for them, I'd like to hear it. As Wee Hooker said, we'll be lucky if they are the only thing we lose because of this crazy guy, and his sick act.

 

[keith44spl]

Riddle me this........

Would the banning or regulation of an object make a madman less mad?

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