Is There Others Growing Tired of Packing?

[k31scout]

Tactical Satchel, I like that.

I belong to the Pocket Shield Club with a DeSantis Superfly when I wear 5.11 pants and Tru Spec pants. I draw faster out of these pockets than pulling my shirt up to get at a 3 o'clock IWB. The 5.11 Covert Cargo pants have even wider pockets and are dressier than the others and not "tactical" looking. Any other pants or jeans just don't work for pocket carry for me.

I've be carrying everyday only since I got my Shield and am not burnt out yet but I can see myself getting complacent about it but I can also see myself being awfully sorry when I really need it and don't have it.

 

[raymo2u]

[/QUOTE]see myself being awfully sorry when I really need it and don't have it.[/QUOTE]
thats what I tell my wife when i want a new gun

 

[timn8er]

For those Men who like to carry their Shield in their pocket.

Does the word "Man Purse" mean anything to you? Maybe you should buy one and show all ur buddies a new place to keep their Shield.

I actually have a "Murse". Its a Duluth Trading Field Bag. I use it as a camera bag, & its roomy enough to keep my Shield in also. I pocket carry most of the time in a DeSantis holster, because, except for when seated, its easier to draw from then from a IWB/OWB holster, where I first have to move a cover garment out of the way. It works for me.

 

[forrestinmathews]

the 22 has been around longer than 9mm and im not sure but i think the 45 also but i could be wrong.

The .22LR(1887) has been around longer than the 9mm(1901)or the .45(1904). I believe that it's a hard ideal to sell that the .22 has killed more people since the 9mm and .45 have been at war since their adoption and both were chambered in sub machine guns. I'd go with the 9mm personally as biggest killer of all time second to the 7.62x39mm.

Back to the root:
I am thinking more and more that the persons who want lighter weight need to go to the 340PD or 340M&P. you still have decent terminal ballistics and you have the reliability. It you can't shoot the XS front sight well, I believe Tee Ball is your next stop. You can also mount laser grips.

I am not a proponent of the .380 because of an incident that occurred trying to dispatch a mortally injured deer. The shot was point blank behind the ear with a Hydrashok and the next thing that happened was the animal stood back up on three broken limbs. The sharp shouldered bullet had deflected off the skull upon postmortem examination. The situation was humanely resolved with something larger than a .380 very shortly after that.

I do not think highly of the LCP and Keltec .380's because I have seen some very fine pistol shots turn in some very dismal groups under stress with them. The sights are very difficult to use in low light and I believe that any level of defensive firearm should be equipped with iron sights that are usable under stress. The laser may not always function, so we must plan for this.

 

[raymo2u]

i was looking at a mp5k suitcase for my gsg-5pk becuase that my friend would be the end all best concealed carry holster capable of firing from, but its cost is $3000. which i dont have in my couch as of yet

 

[Vinney47]

well the bad guy doesnt grow and grow in size with the drugs or adreniline he has...he only thinks he does fire does grow so the fire extinguisher point is somewhat moot

The analogy is based on the idea of getting less protection because you don't think you'll ever need to use it, period. Has nothing to do with the size of people or fires.

Besides that, a persons resistance to a one-shot-stop certainly DOES grow with drugs and/or adrenaline.

 

[forrestinmathews]

I'll guarantee that a frontal shot placed center of the head between the bridge of the nose and the teeth will cause all manner of drugged up persons stop. Cerebral cortex shot causes an instant shutdown of all motor skills and effectively rips the transmission right out of the offending party. Granted your projectile must have the integrity and oomph to get there.

 

[raymo2u]

exactly what i said before, placement of shot is what matters most. pcp and meth are the leading drugs for supermen that can "reflect" an EXTRA bullet but just follow it with another shot. even mouse guns have 6+1rds

 

[InTheWoods]

I never even remotely considered my shield to be a pocket pistol. I wear mine IWB. I have better guns for pocket carry, like my Kahr PM40 and P380.

 

[Texas40]

For IWB this is it

When I pocket carry it this works for me

Most times its IWB.

 

[Lost Lake]

There is some error in your logic there. The 9mm and .380 have the exact same diameter of bullet. they make the same size hole. At self defense ranges, the .380 is going to be plenty.

True, it's not considered "service caliber" in the US. But it is still used by military and police of various countries around the world because it is a potent killer. The reason it's ruled out in the US is not because it won't kill a person, but it doesn't pass all the barrier penetration tests of more powerful rounds - such as through wood or metal and then a minimum penetration into ballistic gel. In a *self defense* scenario, you aren't going to be shooting through those things, like a soldier or LEO might need to in a combat/tactical scenario.

I maintain the .380, or 9mm short, IS an effect and smart choice for self defense carry.

Having that said, to the OP: If you don't feel the need for the power the 9mm gives because you don't live in a "war zone", why carry at all? That's like getting a smaller and smaller fire extinguisher because you are more and more convinced your house won't catch fire. You're decision will seem prudent right up until the moment it isn't.

Error? In MY logic?

I don't think so.

I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.

Caliber wars are as old as the guns that come in the preferred caliber. I probably won't change anyone's mind, but at least I'll give you something to think about.

Maybe you won't be shooting through auto glass or doors. I don't think that way though. I consider I may hit an arm bone held up as a shield as a guy rushes me with a knife.

Will a .380 go through an arm bone and have enough energy left to go through a heavy coat and then reach vital organs? Maybe, but likely not.

So when you carry a mouse gun, you really depend on perfectly placed shots to effect damage. In a fire fight against a moving target, possibly one that is returning fire, your shots may not be perfectly placed.

You'll never convince me that fewer bullets is better than more, and less power is just as good as more power.

Next time you are at the range, put a ham bone in front of your target and see what happens to your shots.

I really do wish you luck if you depend on a .380. I have one, I do carry it infrequently, and I sure hope I never have to depend on it to save my skin!!!

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[pyro]

I pocket carry the Shield 40cal, but honestly the Kahr cm9 wins out most of the time. It is lighter and slips in and out of pocket much easier. +p147 HST or Talons approach the muzzle energy of 40cal. There is something comforting of being able to walk with my hand in my pocket and on the grip. No one around you notices anything.

 

[forrestinmathews]

The whole title of this thread is bogus. We should all just respond in yes or no. I'll start!

Are you tired of carrying a gun and ready to become a victim?
Hell no.

I'll keep my big lunky gun with its big magazine and big bullets. I'll also continue to wear pants, hold the door open for ladies, give up my seat to the elderly, and make some attempt to greet everyone I pass on the street.

 

[Holden6v8]

the sage once said...

"Friends never let friends carry mouseguns"

and also referred to the 2nd rule of a gunfight

"Have enough gun"

The fact that the "average" gunfight is close and fast is one good reason to have enough caliber. There are plenty of smallish guns that are enough gun without finding yourself wishing you had brought a bigger one.....

 

[Vinney47]

Maybe you won't be shooting through auto glass or doors. I don't think that way though. I consider I may hit an arm bone held up as a shield as a guy rushes me with a knife.

Will a .380 go through an arm bone and have enough energy left to go through a heavy coat and then reach vital organs? Maybe, but likely not.

Next time you are at the range, put a ham bone in front of your target and see what happens to your shots.


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bone is going to adversely affect any round. Could be in altered trajectory, early expansion so insufficient penetration on center of mass, etc. Those effects are not limited to the .380, the 9mm and .45 aren't exempt. Stick that ham bone infront of your 9mm and .45 shots next time at the range and you'll see. The .45 already has trouble penetrating because it's slow, the ham bone isn't going to do it any favors on it's quest for vital organs.

I don't argue that more powerful ammo isn't better, only that the .380 isn't under-powered for self defense. I personally use 9mm (135gr +P critical duty). My whole point is if you are down grading your gun because you don't think you'll need to use it, you're looking at it wrong and why bother to carry at all. If you want to downgrade for a more sensible reason, the .380 is a fine self defense round.

 

[MP1SG]

You would think that with all the active shooter situations that we have had lately one would want to UP his/her carry piece.

Granted, we would all like to carry or have readily available some type of long gun in the event we enounter an active shooter. But that is unlikley, But to down grade to a .380 seems a little crazy. (To me anyway).

I have been packing my Shield 9mm with a spare magazine and still feel as though this would be just ok if i needed to defend myself in a active shooter situation. Again a long arm is the way to go, But i do feel alot more comfortable with my 9c/40c with a hi cap mag, than i do with my Shield 9mm.
However, I still carry that shield ( so dam comfortable)

1SG
Out

 

[Deadeye Dick]

I find myself having to remember to take my J-frame out of my right front pocket because I've got so used to carrying. Fall asleep on the couch watching old movies on TV with it in my jeans.

After a long enough time carrying it becomes such an ingrained habit you almost can't leave home without your EDC.

It's like not having your watch or wedding ring on when you leave. You gotta turn around and drive back and get your piece if you forget it or you just don't feel right the rest of the day.

Heck, I'd carry out of habit after the Second Coming I'm so used to it by now.

Feel the same way about my P-11. I often forget I have it on me because I am so used to it being there. But when it's not there I feel almost out of balance.

 

[Deadeye Dick]

I doubt anyone who had ever survived an armed encounter using a gun ever wished that they were carrying a smaller caliber at the time.

Something to think about.

 

[Rastoff]

I keep seeing this thread pop up. This makes me think about it more.

I understand why the OP might get tired of carrying. Years of carrying without ever using it could make you think twice about the value. Millions of people live their entire lives without ever using a gun and suffer no defect because of it.

So, my answer is no, I haven't become tired of carrying, but that's just me.

 

[TahoeDust]

I get tired of wearing my seatbelt, but that does not mean I am going to stop.