Is this everything a cop needs?
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S. Hammer
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Great equipment. I carried a sap like that back in the '80's with my 6" Model 66. One thing no one told me about saps, if you hit someone who's resisting in the forehead, the skins splits wide open. This requires a trip to the E.R. and a lot of paperwork. Don't ask me how I know.
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Blackjacks, Slapjack, Batons, etc. My favorite was the Convoy Blackjack.
A round 16oz lead head mounted on a steel spring, and wrapped in black leather. That and a S&W "N" frame revolver kept the streets safe.
Jimmy
Blackjacks, Slapjack, Batons, etc. My favorite was the Convoy Blackjack.
A round 16oz lead head mounted on a steel spring, and wrapped in black leather. That and a S&W "N" frame revolver kept the streets safe.
Jimmy
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You need a Ingram for a throw down .
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You know, besides a pair of aviator sunglasses and a Crown Vic?
Mod 10-5 - D 230xxx, 1970 (remember this one Mike?) and a few things that go with it.
GF
Close! Aviators absolutely. No Crown Vic however.......issued new 4x4's initially Dodge Ram Charger, then several Blazers, then Ford Broncos and finally an Expedition. Wore them all out! Oh, a 'J' frame in the boot.
sheriffoconee
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we called the flat "slapjacks" either "slapsticks" or "Texans" (Texan was the brand name)......
using the edge of it on someone's head splits the skin like a ripe watermelon, especially if that someone has just ripped the commode out of a holding cell....don't ask me how I know....
oh yeah, they fall right to their knees afterwards, so I hear......
using the edge of it on someone's head splits the skin like a ripe watermelon, especially if that someone has just ripped the commode out of a holding cell....don't ask me how I know....
oh yeah, they fall right to their knees afterwards, so I hear......
H P Bushrod
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Thanks for sharing the pics. The slapper/blackjack made me think back to my NJ DOC days (we had a slapper pocket on our uniforms) and the movie "The New Centurians" when George C. Scott was getting ready to wear the scumbag landlord out. Those were the days....
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The mere presence of a hefty 29" straight baton and a stern look still work wonders in obtaining voluntary compliance. Which means no paperwork is needed. For some reason, the short 26"ers do not work nearly as well.
What movie was it where Tommy Lee Jones (?) says he doesn't wear sunglasses because sometimes a good hard stare works better than a gun? It is true. (No paperwork needed for stares either.)
I've heard how effective saps were, and don't remember the code but understand they are now illegal here. Department says no saps.
And it seems wrong when the "rights" of a repeat offender (ie, thug) are more important than that same thug's responsibilities and the rights of all the victims. Something is screwy....
Happy Easter!!
(Yeah I know, that's not a PC thing to say, but I don't care.) Happy Easter again.
What movie was it where Tommy Lee Jones (?) says he doesn't wear sunglasses because sometimes a good hard stare works better than a gun? It is true. (No paperwork needed for stares either.)
I've heard how effective saps were, and don't remember the code but understand they are now illegal here. Department says no saps.
And it seems wrong when the "rights" of a repeat offender (ie, thug) are more important than that same thug's responsibilities and the rights of all the victims. Something is screwy....
Happy Easter!!
(Yeah I know, that's not a PC thing to say, but I don't care.) Happy Easter again.
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BUFF
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Actually, while not as viscerally satisfying as whacking the scumbag in the knee with a nice hardwood baton, we have found that the Tazer is statistically much more effective...
Most of the deputies that work for me have never seen a night stick carried before, let alone used! I sure miss mine.
Most of the deputies that work for me have never seen a night stick carried before, let alone used! I sure miss mine.
The mere presence of a hefty 29" straight baton and a stern look still work wonders in obtaining voluntary compliance. Which means no paperwork is needed. For some reason, the short 26"ers do not work nearly as well.
What movie was it where Tommy Lee Jones (?) says he doesn't wear sunglasses because sometimes a good hard stare works better than a gun? It is true. (No paperwork needed for stares either.)
I've heard how effective saps were, and don't remember the code but understand they are now illegal here. Department says no saps.
And it seems wrong when the "rights" of a repeat offender (ie, thug) are more important than that same thug's responsibilities and the rights of all the victims. Something is screwy....
Happy Easter!!
(Yeah I know, that's not a PC thing to say, but I don't care.) Happy Easter again.
The Movie was "In The Line of Fire" with Clint Eastwood. Renee Russo's character asks him why he doesn't wear shades like all the other Secret Service agents.
sheriffoconee
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THIS is so true. I bayonetted a guy with my stick in front of my deputies a couple of years ago (DUI driver hanging on to the door of his car) and my troops that were there had never seen it done before....
I agree, TASERS are MUCH more effective.....
Nowadays it is all about ASP batons (girls play with batons, we use sticks)....but alas, times have changed....
I banned the use of slapsticks and billies years ago...but our use of force policy does not forbid them.....mmmmm, I need to look at this again...
ColbyBruce
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About what percentage of stops do people become violent? I am sure this also has to do with location, but reading this thread gives me the impression it happens alot.
sheriffoconee
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Just speaking for our S/O, but last year we arrested 855 people, and had "use of force" reports for 19 of them. Use of force means a lot of different things, essentially, if we use a weapon, hands, fists or feet to control someone, it is a "use of force"....
For instance, pointing a handgun at someone and ordering them to do something is a use of force, just as shooting someone would be. Same as pointing a TASER at someone and ordering them to do something. Hitting someone with a flashlight is our most common impact weapon use...since a deputy always has a flashlight in his hand or on his belt, and it is used as an immediate response to an immediate attack....
For instance, pointing a handgun at someone and ordering them to do something is a use of force, just as shooting someone would be. Same as pointing a TASER at someone and ordering them to do something. Hitting someone with a flashlight is our most common impact weapon use...since a deputy always has a flashlight in his hand or on his belt, and it is used as an immediate response to an immediate attack....
Speaking of saps, I still have the one I was given by my first FTO in 1987, Corporal Charles Porterfield. God rest his soul. It is in the safe right next to the 681 and the CCPD badge. I do still carry the PR 24 and the BMF (big metal flashlight). Last time I did a "power draw" with the PR, the fight stopped right then. I guess the sight of an old, fat, little bald man whipping that stick out, making the swoosh noise makes folks want to laugh and not fight anymore....
sheriffoconee
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Roger that about Charles...I didn't know he was your FTO....may he RIP, he was a fine lawman....
IIRC, seems like the in car footage of one of my deputies using his BMF seemed to have you in it.....
IIRC, seems like the in car footage of one of my deputies using his BMF seemed to have you in it.....
Dave T
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Even as a detective (I did that for 5 years) I would have never considered carrying a 2" revolver. I never understood why everyone wanted the short barrel. The barrel isn't the part that's hard to conceal, especially when worn IWB. It's the butt of a handgun that makes the big lump, and in the case of a revolver the cylinder which adds to the bulk.
Before I switched to semi autos after the end of probation, I started with a Model 60 as an off duty gun (carried a M28 in uniform). I very quickly learned I didn't like the short sight radius and difficulty in shooting the little 5-shot in my large hands. Found a used 4" RB M10 and carried it for the last few months before I qualified with a 1911 and bought a Commander (alloy frame) as my off duty weapon.
I know lots of folks like the "snubby", however I've never seen the attraction or utility of a barrel shorter than 3". YMMV!
Dave
Before I switched to semi autos after the end of probation, I started with a Model 60 as an off duty gun (carried a M28 in uniform). I very quickly learned I didn't like the short sight radius and difficulty in shooting the little 5-shot in my large hands. Found a used 4" RB M10 and carried it for the last few months before I qualified with a 1911 and bought a Commander (alloy frame) as my off duty weapon.
I know lots of folks like the "snubby", however I've never seen the attraction or utility of a barrel shorter than 3". YMMV!
Dave
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I recently purchased one of the J&G Sales S&W Model 15's as it was the closest to my old duty weapon when I was on the streets in uniform (a personal purchase Model 19...still had to run .38 +P through it). The one I got from them did not even look like it had been issued. I put the heavy factory target grips on it and held it......after years of carrying this or that semi-auto, I damned near cried when I held it and remembered........ I sold the Model 19 many years ago...this one will never leave me. Bill G
