It may be time to look at bug out plans for the CA folks.

Yellowstone....San Andreas.....

Makes a guy glad he lives in the Midwest although if Yellowstone
goes like they say it might, won't be a safe place on Earth.

I don't take much stock on folks "predicting" when a quake will
hit. I believe it will go when it's ready and nobody
can say exactly when that will be.


Chuck
 
With the powder keg of fault lines that Japan sits on, and California waiting for its "big one," I picture Japan and California meeting each other someday somewhere in the middle of the Pacific. They'll be like, "Howdy." "Konnichiwa."
I read that in a few million years San Francisco and LA will be suburbs of each other from the plates sliding along the fault line.
 
There is a difference between not being a worry wart and willful ignorance, though. The latter can easily slip into outright stupidity.

The story of Harry Truman (no, not the one in the White House) comes to mind. He was sort of a local legend, an old guy who had owned a lodge near Mt. St. Helens for decades and claimed to know the mountain. When the evacuation orders came, he refused to leave and publicly belittled officials and scientists on TV. Then the lateral blast obliterated him and his lodge. No loss to the world. But some other people probably died because they trusted his proclamations more than the scientists.

I'm happy where I'm at and don't worry, but there are a number of low-elevation communities on the Oregon coast where I wouldn't be living if I were young and raising small children with a hopefully long future.
 
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Born and raised in LA here; currently live in the San Fernando valley which is close to the most dangerous faults. I'm almost 36. Here are my thoughts...

I've been through both the '87 Whittier and '94 "Northridge" (Reseda) quakes. They, especially the '94 quake, were devastating. Highway 14 that links the Lancaster/Palmdale area where Edwards Airforce Base to Los Angeles fell down by the 5 (for the second time; the first was during the Sylmar quake of '71). That said, we're used to it. Too used to it.

Most people don't even remember the VERY large June '92 quake out by somewhere called Joshua Tree because it was only a 6.x magnitude event. I point that out because I think outside of businesses that are in high rises mandated by city municipal codes to have fire-code compliant emergency plans and supplies, the average strip mall business or private residence is likely under-supplied and the resident under-prepared. I oughta know because for years I was one of them.

It's sad I know. But if you thought Hurricane Katrina looked like Hell on Earth on CNN, just wait 'til you get the BARELY stable city of Los Angeles look like it was hit by a daisy cutter after an 8.x levels half the town. No running water for days, undriveable roads due to glass blown out of buildings everywhere. Fire departments won't be able to reach all the fires from the gas mains that will have ruptured and exploded.

ONE town here that looks very prepared is Burbank. There are multiple gun stores here, amateur radio stores (one's next door to the other on one road), emergency supplies. And they're in business because they sell a lot of supplies all the time. So I have no doubt they will be able to survive The Big One, and be able to protect themselves in case the looters are feeling opportunistic.

The City on the other hand, I'm not so sure. LAPD will declare a city wide tactical alert pretty much immediately, gas stations will be shut down (because there will be no electricity to power the gasoline pumps, ATM machines and credit card terminals). It won't be good times.

One problem is, supplies are expensive. Good guns aren't cheap. Ammo isn't cheap. Training isn't cheap. Emergency food, emergency power, etc. Aren't cheap. Back when I was overworked and underpaid, I was dealing with shady roommates 'cause I could hardly make ends meet. That did change but I was slow to see the light. Even after a big 5.6 quake hit close to downtown L.A. while I was at work. Our first really large one in years.

Or the big Studio City 4.6 quake that made this guy news anchor on KTLA Internet famous because of his "we're having an earthquake" panic on live TV. ;-) Anyway, what really finally made me realize I need to get ready, and get supplies (as well as a way to defend it and ourselves in case there's looting, riots, etc) was what happened last year...

There was a Swarm of upper-strength 3.x earthquakes that struck the O.C. for several Days. The news here always overreacts when there is a quake. 2.9 makes someone's lawn chair tip over and all local stations will spend hours covering it... They'll drag Dr. Lucy from CalTech out of bed at 4 in the morning if they have to tell people what's going on, etc. It's kind of embarrassing. This isn't Japan where they have "the big one" almost every other year (who's worried about a 7.x when you can have a freaking 9.x). But this was legitimately scary. Even for a SoCal native like me.

So I got my act together and stocked up on water, a way to deal with hygene and going #2 when there's no running water, canned heat and 25-year shelf-life MREs so we're good for up to two weeks. I own a SD40VE and an SD9VE (so we don't just have one while my wife gets ready to own one of her own). :-)

After I spent the money and sometimes even now, I think I spend a lot of time and whole lot of money on this stuff. It's a nice part of town where we live and no disasters (man made or natural) yet. But sometimes I see an air unit set up over a parameter nearby and think, what if their suspect runs through the backyards and tries to hide out in my house? Sometimes I see shady characters that make me think, I sure am glad I can handle it if this person was actually casing my home and figures they can take me. Terrorists targeting apartments isn't too far from my mind and if there's a riot, I don't want to just Hope they stay away from me. They might (they did the last time), but what were we gonna do if they didn't?

I feel like I've spent years just getting lucky, with quakes or with crime. And I figure God's only going to give me so many chances figure out that I need to take care of business and pay attention to my responsibility to make sure my wife and I survive a SHTF moment.
 
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FWIW, I recently read an article documenting increased earthquake activity with Mt. St. Helen.

Hopefully the two events are not related, but one can not be complacent.

Each region of the country has it's weather/natural disaster potential. Here in Texas it's tornadoes and wildfires. To each his own.
 
There was an article on MSN regarding earthquake swarms below MT ST Helens volcano. They said if it does erupt the lava dome will have to form first before it goes boom. Frank
 
We're over due for a bunch of stuff. Some volcanos, a meteor, a massive sun flare. So....where do we bug out to?

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Don't forget the La Palma (Canary Island) fault. The tourist bureau there debunks the idea, survivalist blog about 300 ft. waves, the USGS says 3 - 8m along the east coast.
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Even if 1,000 footers wash ashore where will I go with 6 - 8 hours warning? Same thing I'll do with a Cat. 3 or better hurricane... an 18 pack and a carton of smokes. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the 40 million or so up the coast will have better luck with their evac plans.
 
There was an article on MSN regarding earthquake swarms below MT ST Helens volcano. They said if it does erupt the lava dome will have to form first before it goes boom. Frank

The individual volcanoes here in the Northwest are very well-monitored and nothing sudden will happen. Even with the comparatively primitive equipment of 36 years ago, Mt. St. Helens did not come as a surprise and had given plenty of warnings. The only thing more dramatic than expected was the extent to which the mountain blew out sideways after the gigantic landslide, rather than topside like a "traditional" volcano. It was the speed and force of that lateral blast that caught people, including USGS observers, by surprise and killed them.

In contrast, a subduction quake can pretty much come without warning. Japan has the most advanced earthquake early-warning system in the world, and the 2011 quake and tsunami still killed over 15,000 people.
 

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Would anyone really miss California if it fell off in the ocean lock stock and barrel?

Think of the great ocean front property that would become available in Arizona and Nevada.

I'll tell you who would miss it. All the residents of states who see Federal tax dollars that were collected from the huge economy in CA and redistributed to them. Those of us that are gun owners and not leftist looneys thank you for your kind wishes though.
 
The only good outcome is when Dianne Feinstein gets swallowed by an earthquake fissure. Our "assault weapons" will be safe for a while.
 
I remember a cartoon in magazine showing two well dressed men walking down the street passing a guy holding a sign that says:

"The world ends today."

One of the men said to the other:

"You know.... one of these days he will be right."

When each of us dies the world does end.
 
There is a difference between not being a worry wart and willful ignorance, though. The latter can easily slip into outright stupidity.

The story of Harry Truman (no, not the one in the White House) comes to mind. He was sort of a local legend, an old guy who had owned a lodge near Mt. St. Helens for decades and claimed to know the mountain. When the evacuation orders came, he refused to leave and publicly belittled officials and scientists on TV. Then the lateral blast obliterated him and his lodge. No loss to the world. But some other people probably died because they trusted his proclamations more than the scientists.

I'm happy where I'm at and don't worry, but there are a number of low-elevation communities on the Oregon coast where I wouldn't be living if I were young and raising small children with a hopefully long future.

A co-worker of mine was supposed to be at Harry Truman's Lodge at Spirit Lake the morning Mount St Helens erupted to change sheets on the smoked drum earthquake recorder but he overslept. As he told me later sometimes it pays to be slow.

Several months later three of us were installing a downhole accelerometer in a 100 foot borehole at spirit Lake. There was still steam coming from the ground in several places. It was rather disconcerting to be working and have ash falling thru the clouds. We were in radio contact with headquarters in Vancouver and if there were any sign of an eruption they would have called us and told us to get out of there. The only way out though was straight toward the mountain and then across the front of it. It was all for naught though as the high temperature at the bottom of the 100 foot hole cooked the electronics and we got no data.

When we entered the blast zone it was as if someone had taken a giant knife and cut a swath thru the forest. One side was verdant green and the other side was devastated.
 
Maybe. I've lived here all my life and I don't know of anyone that moved specifically because of the prediction. I guess if they're that crazy, I don't mind losing them. I know the rest of us just bought earthquake riders to go with our flood insurance . . .

There were a handful that made the national news at the time. By the way, you live in a beautiful area.
 
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