Its not plastic its POLYMER!!

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Am I the only one who gets bugged when I'm on other gun forums and they knock on the 15-22 by saying its plastic instead of polymer, or using the word plastic to make it sound like a toy because they are (insert gun here) fanboys? You don't see people saying Glocks are made out of flimsy "plastic"! Airsoft guns are plastic.

To me, calling polymer plastic is like calling a magazine a clip.

Venting complete :D
 
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I have the opposite reaction when people say "polymer!" like it's something different and "special".

I spent the last 40+ years of my life working in the "plastic" industry. Took the advice in the movie the Graduate. Made my fortune with plastics. Product design, mold building and injection molding & extrusion.

I think it's pretentious, all PLASTICS are polymers.

It's not mustard! It's GREY POUPON!
 
The thing is definitely plastic to me. And because of how flimsy it is, I have a hard time even calling it a "rifle". I have the same reaction toward the Bodyguard 38...Yuck.

To be honest, it doesn't help when guys paint their 15-22s in glossy children's toy colors and put crayola in the lettering...
 
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That's my Airsoft M4a1 and it's almost entirely metal. The only plastic is the forgrip and stock. :P
 
plas·tic /ˈplæstɪk/
[plas-tik]

–noun
1. Often, plastics. any of a group of synthetic or natural organic materials that may be shaped when soft and then hardened, including many types of resins, resinoids, polymers, cellulose derivatives, casein materials, and proteins: used in place of other materials, as glass, wood, and metals, in construction and decoration, for making many articles, as coatings, and, drawn into filaments, for weaving. They are often known by trademark names, as Bakelite, Vinylite, or Lucite.


All polymers ARE plastics. :rolleyes:
 
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Reminds me of snails being called esgargot.:rolleyes:
 
You guys are right. Its just people make it out that these things are breaking left and right because they are plastic. I don't think thats the case.

How many 15-22's have broken due to it being polymer/plastic?
 
Never heard of any 1522 polymer failures. Though, I have heard of Colt Umarex Monkey/Pot metal failures.... some prefer the term zinc alloy :D
 
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I cannot offer much to this discussion beyond my Glock model 23. It was issued to me by my LE agency and retired with me when I left in '97. I still shoot it, at least annually for LEOSA certification and plastic or polymer, it just works. Can't say I would buy one (revolver guy) but cannot knock them either.
 
Well said phil... and for those of us who have been in gun biz awhile we can all remember the 1911 guys calling the glocks plastic toys.. and it took until springfield made the xd for them to start calling them tactical pistols...

Guns are like cars everone has there favorites and their own justification as to why they spent or would not spend the money on a specific model

Me myself I've carried a glock since the 31 first came out and everone I knew wanted to know why I didn't buy a 1911 like theirs... my justification sounded something like this: if id wanted a 100 yr old design pistol that was pretty and shot pretty good to set in the safe id bought a 1911 but instead I wanted the most firepower I could get for the money in a size I could carry and not worry about scratching... now I'm sure even to this day someone will say that the over 100yr old 45acp is superior to the 357 sig.. but realisticly 15 357 sigs compared to 7 or 8 45s is not really comparable...

now let the arguements begin :D
 
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Some folks get riled up when you call their "mobile home" a trailer house. Heck, I even had one coworker who insisted he lived in a "coach." I didn't mean to offend him but it looked like a trailer house to me what with the hitch and wheels still attached. If we change our speech so as to not offend others, we are surrendering to political correctness. Not sure we should do that. So, yes, stocks on AR-15s and frames on Glocks are PLASTIC. (no offense) ;)
 
It's quite true that "plastic" is often used as a term of derision.

What many don't understand is that there are thousands of plastic polymers, additives and fillers that can produce an astonishing range of properties. And, it's all PLASTIC.

Just as "steel" is a generic term, 1018 crs, 4140 and A6 or H13 are all "steel". Their uses, mechanical properties, machine ability, heat treat ability are quite different. Same for brass, bronze, wood, concrete and many other structural materials.

Plastics are no different. It's unfortunate when an inappropriate plastic alloy is specified or used in a product that leads to consumer disappointment. Likewise, it is silly to use expensive and difficult to process, premium plastic alloys in disposable, single use products.

Not meaning to get too technical, with plastic and often other materials like concrete, process and technique is important. Melt temperature, injection pressure, hold time, mold design, location of vents, gate locations, runner balance all effect the quality of the end product.

Trick has always been to match the specific material and process parameters to the end use. Some do it better than others. So far, gun manufacturers have done well with their "plastic" pistols.
 
It's quite true that "plastic" is often used as a term of derision.

What many don't understand is that there are thousands of plastic polymers, additives and fillers that can produce an astonishing range of properties. And, it's all PLASTIC.

Just as "steel" is a generic term, 1018 crs, 4140 and A6 or H13 are all "steel". Their uses, mechanical properties, machine ability, heat treat ability are quite different. Same for brass, bronze, wood, concrete and many other structural materials.

Plastics are no different. It's unfortunate when an inappropriate plastic alloy is specified or used in a product that leads to consumer disappointment. Likewise, it is silly to use expensive and difficult to process, premium plastic alloys in disposable, single use products.

Not meaning to get too technical, with plastic and often other materials like concrete, process and technique is important. Melt temperature, injection pressure, hold time, mold design, location of vents, gate locations, runner balance all effect the quality of the end product.

Trick has always been to match the specific material and process parameters to the end use. Some do it better than others. So far, gun manufacturers have done well with their "plastic" pistols.


Well said ... and its great to see a few more die builders in the group although it sounds like a lot of your time was spent getting a degree or in a mold shop for the duration of your apprenticeship.. and not in a die shop but its a generic term that was ment to include all skilled craftsman
 
Sounds like some of the guys on this forum won't fly a Boeing 787 because it's made of composites instead of metal. Nothing is wrong with applying the right material for the right job, even if it isn't metal.
 

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