"JACK LLOYD" Model 58?

[SuperMan]

For this guy to come out and tell a potential customer that this is a Lew Horton Special with no documentation is out and out fraud...or he is just plain stupid and believes what someone told him and thinks that everyone else is also...

But the other question is why make up a story like this...unless GM was sold the gun "with a story" and they bought it and the gun without checking...

Bob

 

[Evil One]

Hopefully, no one else bids... the reserve doesnt get met... and they have to rethink their selling practice on this one.


Jim

 

[David LaPell]

I emailed him and asked who Jack Lloyd was, the seller told me had had no idea but it was mentioned in the Blue Book. I've never heard or seen anything in the Blue Book mentioning a Jack Lloyd. As much as I would like a M58, I don't want one that's basically someones hack job.

 

[CelticSire]

Wonder if it could be the Jack Lloyd that sang w/ Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys...

 

[handejector]

Originally posted by GLL:
I asked him to provide a photo of the grip frame. It has indeed been converted to round butt !

Jerry

Jerry is correct- it is a POST-factory conversion to round butt in my opin. Look at the cold blue on the grip straps, and how they ground right up to the S. The factory would have moved the number over.


David LaPell said-

I emailed him and asked who Jack Lloyd was, the seller told me had had no idea but it was mentioned in the Blue Book. I've never heard or seen anything in the Blue Book mentioning a Jack Lloyd.

If anyone has a new Blue Book, take a look and see if Jack is in there. Maybe he is the author of the S&W section.

I haven't bought one in ten years, so I can't check.

 

[BillCa]

Well there's no mention of Jack Lloyd in the Blue Book under:
a) The Model 58 in the S&W section
b) In the S&W Section headers
c) In the Staff of the Blue Book
d) As even an acknowledgement for a contribution

Since this is Gander Mountain (apparently store #135 from their handle) maybe the best way is to send a message to their Corporate HQ.

A message with ATTN: Corporate Counsel in the subject line. Explain that if GM sells the gun as a "lew horton special" or as a "limited edition from S&W" and cannot positively prove it, such testimonials are fraudulent and actionable. Point out that whomever is responsible for the ad has been questioned and should at least have doubts as to the authenticity of the claims.

Nothing like having Corporate Execs chewing out store managers early in the morning to get actions taken.

 

[SuperMan]

Originally posted by David LaPell:
I emailed him and asked who Jack Lloyd was, the seller told me had had no idea but it was mentioned in the Blue Book. I've never heard or seen anything in the Blue Book mentioning a Jack Lloyd. As much as I would like a M58, I don't want one that's basically someones hack job.

Would you ask this guy to please let you know what editon of the Blue Book this is in and what page...that you are interested in bidding...

Bill..I am at the point of calling GM HQs on this guy...

Bob

 

[sceva]

I asked what documentation they had or where I could find it ( blue book edition and page) The only response I received was that "The gun is sold" I could have sworn that it had 6 days to go this morning and now the auction has ended without the reserve being met??? Maybe they sold it in their store? Or perhaps they pulled it and say it's sold to avoid more embarassment.

 

[SuperMan]

Yep...since the reserve price had not been met they had the right to pull the auction before it ended...and they did.

 

[Mickstix]

I had also emailed asking about its authenticity, and got back an email this morning from a mike.siems Here's what he had to say.. (I guess he realized it was a fake?) But it dont sound like he was any too happy about it.

"It must be some kind of a modification according to all the self proclaimed
experts.
I pulled it off the auction."
Thanks

 

[BillCa]

sceva - confirmed... I saw that earlier today and was going to post about it.

Bob - I'd recommend writing to GM anyhow. The seller in this case made statements he couldn't back up and was evasive when questioned about it.

Mick - at least you got something of an honest response. All I got was "I am sorry, It is sold". Makes me wonder about the veracity of "Gandermountain135" when he's asked a simple question.

 

[BUFF]

Originally posted by Mickstix:

""It must be some kind of a modification according to all the self proclaimed
experts.
I pulled it off the auction."
Thanks"

"Self-proclaimed experts"? He spouts off with that kind of crappy nonsense and then condems folks who actually know what they are talking about? Sounds like a kid with his first job in a gun store.

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