James Yeager Says .40 Caliber Rounds Suck (video)
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I agree with SOME......
i agree with SOME of what he said but not most of it. But I did sort of agree with part of his conclusion. It doesn't matter a lot what kind of pistol you have in the case he was talking about. What they really needed was a rifle, not a bigger or smaller or higher or lower pressure handgun. I think the FBI should stop going up and down in handgun caliber trying to fix the problem because it is the type of weaponry that makes the difference in situations like like that. Don't bring a handgun to a rifle fight.
i agree with SOME of what he said but not most of it. But I did sort of agree with part of his conclusion. It doesn't matter a lot what kind of pistol you have in the case he was talking about. What they really needed was a rifle, not a bigger or smaller or higher or lower pressure handgun. I think the FBI should stop going up and down in handgun caliber trying to fix the problem because it is the type of weaponry that makes the difference in situations like like that. Don't bring a handgun to a rifle fight.
fredj338
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Well, more to being best other than being able to swap slides? General reliability & shootability come nto play. Most of the better 1911 will need min or no fitting of spare parts, at least the non match guns. My best 1911 has gone maybe 30k rds now, only a broken slide stop to show for it.lastic guns are fine, but most 1911 haters I feel just lie having more rds at their disposal.
Arik
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True, no argument. ...to some extent! BUUUT!!! When you buy...say a Sig...you are only buying that Sig and nothing else. Same if you bought a Walther PPQ. No one else makes a PPQ. You cannot buy one at different price points from different manufacturers. 1911s on the other hand range from $399 to $5k and up. Their aftermarket parts are the same. If you have a WC and buy WC parts you're probably good to go but, if you're using a Springfield and buying WC parts chances are they'd have to be fitted. This is the part I don't like and completely against. The original 1911 was made a little loose and with quality materials. ...great guns, great reliability and practically no fitting if any.
Today however, a 1911 can be a Phoenix/Jennings/Davis or it can be a Wesson/Willson/knight hawk and up. IMO one just looks like a 1911 while the other one is
FlyFish
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If only I had the time and money to shoot enough to wear out my .40s and .357Sigs. Sigh.
Not because of this video, particularly, but based on his "body of work" on the internet, this man is an embarrassment to responsible gun owners everywhere.
Not because of this video, particularly, but based on his "body of work" on the internet, this man is an embarrassment to responsible gun owners everywhere.
The 1911 was originally designed with loose tolerances, and the ones manufactured for WWI and WWII did have interchangeable parts with no fitting. They were also not very accurate and had very sloppy triggers.
Now people have higher expectations. Parts tend to be slightly oversized, which requires fitting but is more accurate. A lot of manufacturers deviate from the original design but still call them 1911s.
The 1911 is still my favorite, and isn't simply from nostalgia. A correctly built one is every bit as dependable as any Glock, hk, or sig. The bushing system makes it easy to tune for match grade accuracy. The single action trigger can be tuned to be perfect for matches, but still be appropriate for defense. I can take mine to the range and target practice at 50 yds, then take it home and keep it as my home defense gun.
Arik
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"Not very accurate" like what? Not winning bullseye championships?
"A correctly built...." and there lies the problem for me. When I pick up a HK I don't need to worry about "correctly built"
"A correctly built...." and there lies the problem for me. When I pick up a HK I don't need to worry about "correctly built"
Yes, that is what I mean. The old WW guns are perfectly suitable for short range self defense purposes, but not accurate enough for bullseye. But they can be tuned to be so. The old US National Match pistols are tuned service pistols, and until guys like Jim Clark got into it, they were the best available.
"Correctly built" shouldn't be an issue, you have to know which manufacturer to buy from. There are plenty that are perfectly capable for defensive use - any of the top tier lines like Colt, S&W, Kimber, SA, or Ruger will do. For top grade accuracy you have to spend a bit more for something like Baer or Wilson.
LoboGunLeather
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Prior to the US entry into WW2 Colt held the contract for pistols (after WW1 when the 1911 was made by Colt, Remington-UMC, Springfield Armory, and North American Arms). Contracts for M1911A-1 pistols were let out to Colt, Remington Rand, Ithaca, Union Switch & Signal, and Singer. One of the most basic elements of these contracts was that every single part in every single pistol be completely interchangeable with every other pistol by every other maker.
It was only after the surge in custom gunsmithing of 1911 pistols from the 1960's to 1990's, as well as expiration of certain patent rights, that several companies started offering 1911-style pistols regularly. For the most part these offerings incorporated many of the enhancements in fitting and functioning that had been available only from custom makers for so many years. Now we have a dozen companies making 1911-style pistols, many of which would have failed in any reasonable application of the original military contracts. But those pistols are exactly what today's customers want.
I have over two dozen original 1911 and 1911A-1 US military pistols in my little collection. I have no doubt that each and every part is fully interchangeable, and each pistol would continue to function properly with just about any combination of parts that might be arranged.
I also have modern 1911-style pistols that incorporate numerous upgrades that enhance function and accuracy. I carry one of those daily and consider it to be one of the best standard production defensive handguns ever produced. But I doubt that many of its parts would be readily fitted to my 1914 Colt commercial model, 1918 Colt Black Army, or any of the M1911A-1's of WW2 manufacture by Colt, Remington Rand, Ithaca, or US&S.
From 1911 to about 1990, just about every US military unit relied on M1911-pattern pistols. Recently it was announced that the USMC has let a contract for new Colt pistols of 1911 pattern, more than 100 years after the introduction of the originals.
There is something to be said for tried and true designs.
shadowrider
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Like it or not modern 9mm self defense loads are just as effective as .40SW loads. 9mm, .40 and .45 all pass the FBI test protocol for penetration, expansion, and weight retention and 9mm does it through all the same barriers that are in the protocol. They are essentially identical in terminal performance.
9mm ammo is cheaper, easier to shoot and the gun has more in it. This is why there are LE agencies all over the country that are going back to 9mm. So JY was actually right as he usually is when he's talking about guns and tactics and not too busy bloviating his overbearing personality all over the place.
Keep your eye on J&G and the others for trade-in M&P and Glock 40's, they are a great deal.
9mm ammo is cheaper, easier to shoot and the gun has more in it. This is why there are LE agencies all over the country that are going back to 9mm. So JY was actually right as he usually is when he's talking about guns and tactics and not too busy bloviating his overbearing personality all over the place.
Keep your eye on J&G and the others for trade-in M&P and Glock 40's, they are a great deal.
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Arik
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And this is what bothers me about it. I want to just order a part and know I can slap it in in a second without having to rely on a gunsmith to fit it or figure out before hand if it's worthless air soft quality or worthy of use.
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That was great! He's like the "Rex Kwon Do" character in the movie "Napoleon Dynamite".
I guess I'm not understanding why this is an issue. If the source of parts concerns you, just buy your parts from the manufacturer. It will be good quality, and depending on what it is won't require much if any fitting. If you own a S&W, buy your parts from S&W.
I assume you own S&W revolvers. Lots of those parts require fitting also - triggers, hammers, hands, probably others.
I've lost count of the number of companies that make 1911 style pistols. Only HK makes HK style pistols. If 'everyone' made HK style pistols, you would have the same issue. Would that make HK a bad design?
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