Just curious, how many carry spare ammunition?

Since you don't watch TV, perhaps you read the gun rags...Did you know that many civilian PD instructors do not include reloads, NY-Tactical in their instruction? They have good reason, besides the data you have ignored from the Uniform Crime Report (FBI) on shootings: # of shots fired, duration in time, and distance....
Here's why extra ammo is not needed, including a B.U.G. for CIVILIANS!
Both reasons are based on failure & negativity:
1. Extra ammo & B.U.G. lends one to think of an extended shootout: you won't survive if you participate...Instead: look for cover & the Cavalry...
2. Extra ammo gives the false impression that if you have a mag failure, e.g., you will have time to reload and continue on...Unfortunately, you lose again....If your weapon is not 100%, your mag fails for whatever reason, you are SOOL!
My only wish in this minor debate is that those with CHL's: carry each and every time they go out regardless of caliber and # of rds...

I'm not sure what part of the Uniform Crime Report that you're referencing. The most relevant part, which still isn't fully relevant to armed citizens, would be the stats on officers killed in the line of duty. This goes into detail on weapon used, shots fired, etc. The biggest point that it usually makes is actually to "wear your armor", since a noteworthy portion of those LEOs killed in most years didn't. I'm not aware of a section of the UCR that details incidents involving armed citizens, or even a use of force section that compiles every shooting by a LEO in the line of duty. There is a table of expanded "homicide data", but that doesn't tell us shots fired, distances, and indeed might not even include justifiable shootings since they might not have been reported by individual agencies as a homicide (many areas under report crime, some over report it, depending on grant money versus political considerations).

In summary I find nothing in the Uniform Crime Report that offers any statistics relevant to armed citizens and shooting incidents involving them. (Edit to add that I have it in front of me in another screen, it's around 25percent of LEOs killed that weren't wearing armor. Other than suggesting that wearing armor if the risk warrants it, again, I see nothing on point in the UCR.)

I'm not sure what trainers you allude to that teach not to reload. If you have a list, I'm sure many of us would love to know, since they could be added to the "avoid" list alongside the school - that shall remain nameless here - that stuck the camera guy in front of the firing line to get some action shots.

In either of the two situations you've presented, you've in fact focused on a negative plan - passively waiting for rescue or hoping for the best under cover if a primary weapon is empty, out of action owing to damage, or jammed. In either certain urban areas, and also many rural areas, rescue could be half an hour away, sometimes more.

It makes much more sense to either reload, restore a weapon to operation via a fresh magazine if necessary, or get back in the fight with a back up weapon compared to your position of essentially hunkering down and hoping for the best. I'd throw rocks before I did that. (Google "The Onion Field", "Christian/Newsom murders", or "Wichita Massacre"... A slim chance in a fight beats what can happen if you don't fight. I'll take a slim chance over none any day of the week.) Yes, someone might still get killed, but at least they'd have a chance.

Nothing about carrying extra ammo negates the idea of finding cover. Most trainers tend to emphasize seeking cover before reloading if at all possible (which it isn't always, since sometimes there is no cover).

A shooting incident need not even be "prolonged" for a lot of ammunition to be expended. Beckwith fired 105 rounds in three minutes to keep himself alive while badly outnumbered. Beckwith also took cover, and indeed planned an escape/rally point on the fly.
 
Two spare mags for my P226 in an Alessi dual pouch. I still have some experimenting to do. Might switch to 1 or 2 single pouches for a bit more flexibility.
 
I carry a backpack with 340 spare rounds and my RCBS reloader just in case I need to make more. You never know how much ammo you might need in a firefight! :)

The tough part is keeping the loose powder dry...

Actually, I rarely carry a spare mag or speedloader for my CCW weapon.

Edmo
 
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Gator,
I looked up the Wichita Massacre just to be sure it was what I thought it was. I lived in Wichita then and I do now. I worked at for the Kansas Department of Corrections when they were sentanced and they came to the facility I worked. I had to deal with these crazy guys.
For those of you that don't know what happened I will give you a few details. Johnathan and Reginald Carr are brothers. They broke in to a East Wichita home. There were six people inside the home. 3 guys and 3 girls. The brothers proceeded to hold every one at gunpoint and raped everyone. The guys included. They took all of them to a snowy soccer field, all of the victims were naked, put them on thier knees, and executed each one of them with a shot to the back of the head. One of the female victims survived and was able to walk a considerable distance to a home and have police called.
The victims did not have a gun in the home. The trial was aired on a local radio station in it's entirety. My dad and I listened to some of it. We both agreed that if we didn't have a gun they found us dead in the house and not in a soccer field because we would never let anything like being raped happen unless we were dead.


snakeman
 
I carry a speed strip with my 442 in my watch pocket....more out of habit than thinking I'll actually need it...really can't see myself reloading that when I could be running.
 
I normally carry two reloads for whatever weapon I have on me. Be it a 5 shot J-frame or a 1911, I figure two reloads should be plenty. I never carry a BUG. I carry enough crap around with me as it is. I don't want to be adding things I consider un-neccesary.
My primary goal is to pay attention to my surroundings and avoid the gun fight all together. I know that's not always possable, but then thats why I carry in the first place.
But this is just me. My lifestyle, my area and my daily life. Your situation may be completely different.
So if you want to carry a half dozen guns, a 1000 rounds of ammo, four knives, body armour and a pit bull, I'm not gonna knock you for it. I don't think there is a right answer to this question. Go with what you're comfortable with. Just be aware that other people may have a different level of comfort. ;)
 
Gator,
I looked up the Wichita Massacre just to be sure it was what I thought it was. I lived in Wichita then and I do now. I worked at for the Kansas Department of Corrections when they were sentanced and they came to the facility I worked. I had to deal with these crazy guys.
For those of you that don't know what happened I will give you a few details. Johnathan and Reginald Carr are brothers. They broke in to a East Wichita home. There were six people inside the home. 3 guys and 3 girls. The brothers proceeded to hold every one at gunpoint and raped everyone. The guys included. They took all of them to a snowy soccer field, all of the victims were naked, put them on thier knees, and executed each one of them with a shot to the back of the head. One of the female victims survived and was able to walk a considerable distance to a home and have police called.
The victims did not have a gun in the home. The trial was aired on a local radio station in it's entirety. My dad and I listened to some of it. We both agreed that if we didn't have a gun they found us dead in the house and not in a soccer field because we would never let anything like being raped happen unless we were dead.

snakeman

The female survivor, who was quite brave throughout, survived because she apparently had a metal hair clip that partially deflected the bullet when it was her time to get one in the back of the head if memory serves. I think the murder weapon was a Davis .380 or .32?

After the massacre the brothers went back to steal Christmas presents and even killed the pet dog of the victims. Their lawyer was later to say that they had a bad childhood.

If any good came out of it, other than the Carr brothers going to death row, it was that she later ended marrying another victim of the Carr brothers who'd survived being robbed by them prior to the massacre. The couple met when testifying at the trial.

Not every criminal is motivated solely by the business like profit motive, as these cases show, nor do they act alone.

The lesson that I extracted from that was that not fighting isn't a viable option, the more so once one commences to fight. Nor is running necessarily going to be. Even were I to be able to make my escape (hard to outrun a bullet), that still risks leaving others behind. Thus any strategy that relies on "run", "obey", or "hope" got a big red X on my mental roster of viable options.

The Newsom/Christian murders were just as gruesome. The male was castrated and raped before being killed, while the woman was raped and tortured for days. What was left of her was later found in trash bags.
 
Alright!

I carry a backpack with 340 spare rounds and my RCBS reloader just in case I need to make more. You never know how much ammo you might need in a firefight! :)

The tough part is keeping the loose powder dry...

Actually, I rarely carry a spare mag or speedloader for my CCW weapon.

Edmo
It is a good thing I had just swallowed, you got anny idea how bad Coke hurts spraying out your nose? Not to mention the sticky keyboard! RCBS Reloader!!! I usually do carry a spare speed loader of 38s or a spare moon clip of 9mms depending on which gun I am carrying at the time. RCBS reloader that's funny!
Wakatomika
 
There's a Lance thomas vidoe on You Tube, Gator. He felt the same way we do about some miscreant deciding our fate.

YouTube - Real Gunfighter Lance Thomas on Justic Files is probably the best of the Lance Thomas interviews. Some of the youtube vids featuring him as a key word just shill for "Front Sight". Note the AK and pistol grip shotgun on a rack behind Thomas and the Glock on his hip.

Jewelry/watch sales were also at the root of the Richmond shootout (Lead and diamonds: the Richmond jewelry store shootout - The Ayoob Files | American Handgunner | Find Articles at BNET for reference) where the store owners were keeping eleven (!) Rossi snubs, an 870 shotgun and a Ruger .44 mag handy and used a surprising number of them. Apparently no one figured out exactly how many shots were fired other than that it was over 30, including four from the .44 mag. They were worried about the then new gun a month law in VA so they'd stocked up.

Another good resource for what can happen is to simply listen live to the Detroit PD radios here - Wayne County, Michigan (MI) Live Police, Fire, and EMS Scanners on RadioReference.com
 
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Spare ammo vs. BUG

I used to carry 2 extra mags (or speedloaders) and no BUG, but have switched to one extra mag (or spdldr) and a BUG (with a reload for it). I find it helps spread the weight around, plus BUGs and their ammo are lighter. Of course, depends on where you're going and what you're doing. I more often think in terms of the appropriate weapon for two-legged vs. four-legged incapacitation. I guess with my truck gun I usually have 3 available in transit.

Edmo, you should look into a Dillion!
 
... Edmo, you should look into a Dillion!

You're absolutely right! I think the volume of ammo per hour produced by a Dillion vs a single stage RCBS press might be the ticket. The only problem I'm working through is getting a backpack large enough to carry the Dillion and the automatic case feeder without raising eyebrows...

However, I'll never want for more ammo during a gun fight as I can "squeeze" more together at the scene. You guys who only carry six to ten spare magazines are WAY under prepared!!

Edmo
 

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