Just curious if anyone here who partcipated in the spare magazine thread has rethought it after LA riots.

[Sal1950]

I never said anything about taking it out. But if it’s physically on them and rioters are within proximity of protesters and a protester is apprehended their concealed carry probably won’t be left on them.

Why was he apprehended?

If innocent of illegal activities, he'll be released and property returned.
Well, maybe not in in the Peoples Republic of CA.

I wonder what store owners did to get looted.

They had something the looters wanted.
Same reason as any other breaking and entering theft LOL

Do you have any stats on the bad actors in uniform being arrested as well or are you saying those you don’t agree with need punished?

Do you or you just trying to dirty the water?

 

[URIT]

I did participate in the spare mag thread.

I won't be adding any form of higher capacity. I'll stay at home and defend my life and castle.

I will not be in the vicinity of any riot. There are no spectators at a riot. Everyone there is a participant.

Military forces should not be used to control riots. Frankly, they don't have the training and don't like going into a fight without ammo for their weapons. No one wants another Kent State.

The LEOs need more funding for better training and equipment. Politicians should not be making command decisions!!!

 

[Wickerboots]

I’ve been here a lot longer than you, maybe I should be asking the question.

I didn’t know there was a hierarchy here. I’m not here for your hierarchy or echo chamber. I’m here for the commonality/community of S&W firearms.

 

[Fiddler1537]

This is absolutely the BEST comment I've seen on this entire thread! You win the internet for today !

Actually, it is a stupid correlation which has absolutely nothing to do with the protests planned for Saturday.

 

[Wickerboots]

I did participate in the spare mag thread.

I won't be adding any form of higher capacity. I'll stay at home and defend my life and castle.

I will not be in the vicinity of any riot. There are no spectators at a riot. Everyone there is a participant.

Military forces should not be used to control riots. Frankly, they don't have the training and don't like going into a fight without ammo for their weapons. No one wants another Kent State.

The LEOs need more funding for better training and equipment. Politicians should not be making command decisions!!!

I’m not in proximity to protest or riots either. If there are no spectators and all default to rioters seems the best way for those in power would be to bait and escalate with uniforms and attempting to blend with protesters but be bad actors. It’s not that cut and dry.

 

[biku324]

While your points may be well taken, I might postulate that the added force on the ground could be beneficial in preventing escalation of violence. I wonder how the summer of 2020 would have gone if there had more law enforcement presence, especially in Minnesota.
Of course then the Governor's wife wouldn't have been been able to bask in the smell of burning tires.

It might be helpful if integrated into the Incident Command structure, with agreed-upon leadership, tactics, deployments, communications, and having their liaison element embedded at the EOC. None of this existed in LA as of last night, when neither the LAPD Chief nor the LASO Sheriff had specifics on what the military was planning on doing beyond being extremely expensive security guards at Federal buildings.

 

[Wickerboots]

Why was he apprehended?

If innocent of illegal activities, he'll be released and property returned.
Well, maybe not in in the Peoples Republic of CA.


They had something the looters wanted.
Same reason as any other breaking and entering theft LOL


Do you or you just trying to dirty the water?

People can be apprehended even if innocent, in this case I already said due to proximity.

Why is it dirtying the water to not agree?

 

[Matt_X]

carying a spare magazine or extra reload or two for a revolver has given any serious thought into "maybe" changing their mind. The recent riots ... have been in the public eye and those of us here who take SD seriously might want to look at this topic again. I am more curious about human nature here than anything else.

Taking this back to a portion of the original question. I'll ignore the specific current event of chief38's query, and the fact that I don't fall in the group of previous respondents, but I did follow that thread.

My response to civil unrest in my city several years ago did include "what should I carry," but also a lot more. First part of that was to ask the question, in what what ways would that realistic help me accomplish my goals. This revolves around what biku324 wrote

It's difficult because with large or even huge groups of people you will have large or huge variations in their actions and motivations.

Being local, I have relatively good access to local news, plus my own eyes and ears for the immediate area.
It did not take too long to realize that in most cases a firearm would not be particularly helpful in most instances while going out and about. There were patterns to the both the protests and the violence. While getting caught in a protest while driving could be a little scary, it would mostly be annoying and frustrating. On foot or bike it would be easy to blend long enough or even better walk a block over. The violence was mostly looting from retail stores. Most telling were the details of the protest outside a police district on a residential block. None of the buildings were touched. The 'looting' was of busineses, and in most cases miles away. These weren't looters in the traditional sense of an out of control mob, but targetted theft taking advantage of the situation for cover.

It was the same situation (police resources diverted) which meant that in general it was best to assume a very slow or non-existant police response even to major crimes in progress. With that in mind I most certainly reviewed my prep.

Finally, the other thing I did was to see what additional information I could gather about use of force to defend ones self, ones home, or a place of business when dealing with a violent crowd. Fortunately I did not have a place of business that I had to worry about. That's also getting away from the question posed.

 

[Sal1950]

Why is it dirtying the water to not agree?

Without details on the particular event or courts outcome, all your doing is making undocumented claims without evidence.

Protest or Riot, In Polk County FL we give them the understanding and fair warning.

 

[Wickerboots]

Without details on the particular event or courts outcome, all your doing is making claims without evidence.

Protest or Riot, In Polk County FL we give them the understanding and fair warning.

I’m asking if you have any stats on bad actors in uniform. That specific question claims nothing. I’m asking because I believe there are greater than zero in uniform that are bad actors in what’s happening just as there would be on any “side”. No “side” is pure, especially in the specifics of why the protests would be held. The theme I’m seeing is that protesters can be rioters even if they aren’t but anyone in uniform is doing the moral or legal thing just because of the uniform. The lines aren’t that clear.

 

[ladder13]

Funny how people who “weren’t there” are telling others what the truth is. Show us some pics or videos of flowers being handed out and people asking for peace.

If I were at a protest rally, as back in 2013 in Albany, I would leave immediately if burning, looting, and throwing rocks at police broke out.

 

[Wickerboots]

Funny how people who “weren’t there” are telling others what the truth is. Show us some pics or videos of flowers being handed out and people asking for peace.

Who’s doing that? You seem to be reading what you want to read if that’s what you’re taking from it.

 

[ladder13]

Without details on the particular event or courts outcome, all your doing is making undocumented claims without evidence.

Protest or Riot, In Polk County FL we give them the understanding and fair warning.

I wish we had a Sheriff like him.

 

[seabright60]

No, because if I lived in L.A. I wouldn't be anywhere near where the protests are going on. That is why I am an old man who has never needed to draw a weapon in self defense. If I find trouble it won't be because I went looking for it.

"Don't go anywhere with your edc that you wouldn't go without it or you're looking for problems " ..... my ccd permit class guy

 

[biku324]

For non-police ... it would be police malpractice not to have undercover mobile, static, and technical surveillance teams (LAPD and LASO have some of the best anywhere) in the most problematic areas. They will be gathering identities of those committing crimes, those urging violence, and people generally stirring the pot. This info will go back to investigators for follow-up and referral to the DA for charges. Surveillance teams will not ever identify themselves except to other officers in an extreme emergency; it takes years to develop professional surveillance officers, so they are very careful to protect team identities.

As well, investigators will gather information on crime and criminals within the legitimate protest through accessing their documented human sources. This information will likewise be fed to assigned investigators for any charging recommendations.

Andy of Mayberry has been dead a long time.

 

[Riposte1]

In rural areas you know who is a potential problem because you know everyone around you. I don't think that there has been a shooting in the small town near me in 50 years. I do remember one gun suicide around 1965. That said, I still carry, but I have never been in a situation where it was needed. We do have gun violence in the county but it is all among druggies and about drugs. Drugs folks shoot other drug folks over drugs and drug money, it is a tradition. Stay away from the places where drugs are bought and sold (and those areas are known) and you increase your security.

I grew up in the country but I have lived in Chicago, Miami and Jacksonville and trust me, it is a lot different in the country.

This is not an argument or even disagreement, so please do not take offense.

I guess it just depends on where you are - I live in a town that on a good day might number 250 people if you stretch the definition of the city limits. I've lived here a while and there have been 3 honest to God firefights with police (all with people who don't live here permanently but have temporary residences), and more simple shootings, a bank robbery and several store robberies (though no shots were actually fired in those).

Then again, I don't live in the town proper the closest any have come so far is about a mile and a half.

Our county has a population of about 25,000 - the worst year we had five murders (the FBI UCR for that year showed zero homicides BTW, which tells you how useless they are as information).

The only thing I can take away is you just never know when someone will try to kill or maim you and it doesn't matter what their reason is, it only matters if you have the means and skill to stop them.

For reference I was a sworn LEO for 30+ years, I've never had to shoot anybody while on duty but I've come close while off duty or between badges.

We each have to work out our own salvation and here's hoping all the good guys make it home safe!

Cheers

Riposte

 

[Hilldweller]

This is absolutely the BEST comment I've seen on this entire thread! You win the internet for today !

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Then: “No taxation without representation”
Now: “No deportation without representation”.

I’d include “arrest” without cause as well because I don’t believe my gardener - being undocumented- is cause for him (and his family) to be detained/arrested/deported for trying to have a better life. He’s caught in a “catch 22” situation. He’s been here for over 15 years, is law abiding, pays taxes, etc. His kids (U.S. citizens by constitutional law) are good students attending local grade and junior high schools. Is he the threat to America some are worried about? Or is he (again) caught in the middle of a political stunt. Go after the bad guys, not everyone in a sweep area.

To me this is like large net fishing. Catch everything with no regard for the consequences to the unwanted fish caught in the net.

We have, or had, the law enforcement investigative capabilities at all levels to do it correctly and within our existing laws to get the bad guys.

Oh, I grew up in the LA area and lived and worked (FD) through all the protests and riots. I drove through the turmoil to get to work as well as dealing with it while there - with my gov model on the seat next to me. No one carried while in the field to avoid becoming targets.

What’s happening in LA now is nothing like that. It’s akin to using a drone to kill a rat.

 

[Telecaster]

In a crowd of a thousand, if only one person is violent then it's a violent crowd. Kind of like how in a stream of semen, only one sperm gets though, but the whole woman is pregnant. It only takes one.

Ok, I'll go back to work now before the thread is locked.

 

[Sal1950]

The lines aren’t that clear.

Did you listen to Sheriff Judd, see the pictures he put up, that made things pretty clear to me.
He see's things like his constituents.
He's been voted Sheriff here since 2005 and will continue to be as long as he desires.
Law and Order isn't so difficult to deduce even if everyone isn't perfect.
The attitude you express here is the exact reason why politics in CA are so sideways.
God I love being in FL

 

[M E Morrison]

I have to wonder if anyone here who was not actively carying a spare magazine or extra reload or two for a revolver has given any serious thought into "maybe" changing their mind. The recent riots in LA (and smaller ones elsewhere) have been in the public eye and those of us here who take SD seriously might want to look at this topic again. I am more curious about human nature here than anything else. It's OK to change our minds - I have done so on more than one occasion. Heck, I never thought I'd be carrying a micro 9 pistol over my former EDC - a M60-7.

Unfortunately, sometimes when we least expect it, trouble happens upon us - even when we thought we were going into a pefcetly safe place.

Went thru riots back in the late 60s. My mind was made up then, reconfirmed several times since then.