Just curious if anyone here who partcipated in the spare magazine thread has rethought it after LA riots.

[walkin' trails]

Title 8 United States Code 1324 (alien smuggling), 1325 (entry without inspection - both felony and misdemeanor), and 1326 (re-entry after deportation). These are federal laws that ICE ( incidentally Immigration and Customs Enforcement) was there to enforce, not some special interest or whim dreamed up by a king. BTW - 18 USC 111 includes assault on a federal officer.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

The poster that I was responding to was asking about the deportation of likely US citizens. We don’t deport US citizens; we do (or should) deport illegal aliens.

Re-read my post that you responded to, and you’ll note that I didn’t address the legal requirements for deportation, and I certainly made no claim that due process should be eliminated.

Aaaaccctually….theres plenty of US citizens who have been detained, with a considerable % of them actually deported. One could quite reasonably argue that a citizen, lawfully carrying a firearm, is at real risk of being targeted by ICE (unmarked cars, masked men in Proud boys colors)…then it’s a catch-22. Are they cops, or secret police, or a militia gang? ICE openly admits it happens, citizenship isn’t a shield (nor is status as a Senator, that apparently means nothing either so kudos for equality!)

ICE agents ram car to take man into custody in Boyle Heights | abc7.com

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abc7.com

Just look at that. You’re driving down the road and two vehicles ram and trap your car, toss tear gas next to your child and hold you at gunpoint. That’s today- ICE performing their own investigations and actions on American citizens far outside of their remit based on extremely thin insinuations.

Eventually, this is going to turn into shots fired (probably by ICE), people (probably law-abiding American citizens) will die, and we’ve got the Boston Massacre all over again.

 

[biku324]

20 years ago my relative was involved in breaking up an armed robbery using his CC permitted handgun. The shots fired were into the perps (2) front tire and an AD when the crooks tried to run over him which slightly wounded one perp. Relative DID EVERYTHING RIGHT with the public safety as his first concern. Two victims were seriously hurt by the perps and I believe that at this time both have died. The newspaper completely got everything wrong and told a completely fabricated tale of what happened. My relative was handcuffed and just barely avoided going to prison only saved by a host of witnesses who threatened the DA with removal if he charged my relative.
So all this proves is that we have a Lawyer problem in America and DAs that support the criminal instead of the victim.

LA isn't a riot? Hundreds of illegals who would never leave America are doing millions of dollars worth of destruction, looting stores breaking sidewalks to make chunks of concrete to throw at police while waving a flag that they would never want to return to and burning the flag of the country the would never leave. This is a demonstration of how a large group of citizens can keep themselves blissfully ignorant by not looking at both sides of the same story. It is part of a plan and it isn't working anymore...

What actually happened, laid out on page 19, lines 4 through 17 in the Court's decision:

The protests in Los Angeles fall far short of “rebellion.” Defendants refer
repeatedly to “violent rioters,” and “mobs,” see, e.g., Opp. at 1, and so the Court pauses to state that there can be no debate that most protesters demonstrated peacefully.
Nonetheless, it is also beyond debate that some individuals used the protests as an excuse for violence and destruction. Some bad actors on June 6 threw “concrete chunks, bottlesof liquid, and other objects at … officers,” Santacruz Decl. ¶ 11, and used “chairs, dumpsters, and other items as weapons,” id. ¶ 14. Others threw rocks and other objects,
including a Molotov cocktail, on June 7. Olmstead Decl. ¶ 9. A “violent crowd” boxed in officers, threw fireworks, rocks, and mangos, and trapped one officer in her car,
surrounding it, shaking it, and throwing stones at it. Santacruz Decl.Ex. 20. Some peopleon June 8 set off fireworks toward officers and threw objects at their vehicles. Santacruz Decl. ¶ 26. Someone on June 9 fired paintballs, id. ¶ 28, and a crowd injured five LAPD officers, id. ¶ 31.
Violence is necessary for a rebellion, but it is not sufficient.

If there was worse, DOJ didn't mention it in their filing.

Added: Property damage from page 7, lines 1 - 8:

LAPD, LASD, and the California Highway Patrol deployed to the protest area as protesters, blocked Highway 101. Id. ¶ 13. Several blocks away, individuals reportedly vandalized Waymo driverless vehicles. Espíritu Decl. Ex. R. Some people “moved through downtown, setting off commercial-grade fireworks toward federal officers and throwing objects at passing law enforcement vehicles.” Santacruz Decl. ¶ 26. Individuals “lit fires in dumpsters and trash bins[,] looted at least one store,” and vandalized buildings. Id. At least 42 people were arrested in connection with their conduct during the June 8
protests. Olmstead Decl. ¶ 14.

 

[ladder13]

If one obeys all laws and acts like a human being……play stupid games…..

 

[Jon651]

You’re confusing illegal aliens with US citizens. . .

Are you trying to claim that every person waving a Mexico flag during the LA protests is an illegal alien, and that every person waving a Confederate flag during other protests are US citizens? That is an interesting certainty. Can you let us know what facts led you to those particular conclusions?

Waving a Mexico flag during the LA protests doesn't make a person a de facto citizen of Mexico and an illegal immigrant in the US any more than waving an Ireland flag makes me a citizen of Ireland and in the US illegally on Saint Patrick's Day...

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

So; the first Federal Court has ruled there is no invasion and no rebellion in LA. The CA NG goes back to state control at noon tomorrow.

The legal discussion is fascinating and addresses every question anyone might have about what is and what is not an appropriate instance to Federalize state guards. I've attached it for everyone's reading pleasure.

Oops, maybe not.
Three judge appeals court overruled the district court and issued a pause...

 

[biku324]

Next steps will be a hearing, then appeal to the en banc USCA 9, then SCOTUS.

 

[Boxlock]

I’m old and don’t enjoy being overly burdened with multiple mags or speed-loaders/strip-clips especially when the odds are I’m not going to need them. That being said I never leave the house without one of my many handguns.

 

[nvcdl]

I’m not sure what to consider them, they shouldn’t be following Trump like he’s a king or escalating protests/baiting protesters to become anything but peaceful. There are enough videos out there at this point to have many examples of unprovoked escalation. The hypocrisy of “arresting protesters with masks” while wearing a mask isn’t excusable either. There are bad actors on all sides but there are an alarming amount in power right now without proper checks and balances.

I feel bad for all of those in uniform being pushed against their neighbors and communities right now. A uniform or position in office shouldn’t put anyone above the law the rest of us are held to.

Just as protesters are exercising their 1st to peacefully protest I’m exercising mine to think/speak critically of those in positions of power and the oligarch puppeteers.

Carrying a gun to a "peaceful Protest that turns into a riot could get you in a lot of trouble.

J6ers left their guns in a hotel in Virginia and the Justice dept made a big deal over the fact.

 

[tck]

Since retiring from LE, I always have a spare mag on me. Keep 2 more in the vehicle.

 

[Onomea]

Here's a former LAPD police chief, Michel R. Moore's, take on what's happening in LA :

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free without a subscription:

...Over the course of more than 40 years with the Los Angeles Police Department — including nearly six as chief of police — I’ve seen what works and what doesn’t in times of civil unrest. I was an officer during the 1992 Los Angeles riots, when federal troops were last deployed to our streets....

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/opinion/lapd-troops-la-protests.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ok8.aHrh.t6iadWarpC62&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 

[TaxPhd]

Are you trying to claim that every person waving a Mexico flag during the LA protests is an illegal alien, and that every person waving a Confederate flag during other protests are US citizens? That is an interesting certainty. Can you let us know what facts led you to those particular conclusions?

Waving a Mexico flag during the LA protests doesn't make a person a de facto citizen of Mexico and an illegal immigrant in the US any more than waving an Ireland flag makes me a citizen of Ireland and in the US illegally on Saint Patrick's Day...

Nice straw man.

 

[03hemi]

Regardless, if you're waving a Mexican flag in, let's just say, "protest" you should then move to the country you love more than America.

 

[K Frame Keith]

I always carry a reload. Even if it’s just a belt slide with six rounds or a single magazine.

 

[Terry G]

Well, since I always carry a spare, I don't have any need to rethink anything.

Though I will repeat what I said in the other thread. Carrying a spare is not really about how many rounds I have on hand. It is mainly because of the various sorts of failures that can most easily and quickly be resolved by ejecting the magazine and inserting a new one.

I have been carrying a S&W M&P 2.0 .45 Compact always with a spare 14 round magazine. Every week I walk out to the range and shoot that up and reload with fresh ammunition. Yesterday I drew my pistol and squeezed the trigger. Click! What the? I did a tap, rack , and target. Bang! Picked up the ejected round and it a well dented primer. Bad round, S&B 185 Grain H.P. Now I like S&B and have shot well over 2,000 rounds of it .45 and 9MM. Never any problem. It rattled me. If it would have been a deadly encounter I wouldn't be typing this. I slacked off, but I'm going back to immediate action drills every week.

 

[jscott]

Being a cop for over three decades, I can safely say that bad things happen everywhere.
If I don't have a spare mag, then I will probably have a second gun on me or in my car with me.

I consider myself a s..t magnet, both on and off duty to include being in several businesses about to be robbed, an attempted car jacking, and being engaged in a toe to toe gun fight after stumbling upon an armed kidnapping while Christmas shopping. It can happen anywhere, anytime. I always have a spare mag.

 

[DocSkinner]

I admit to being a bit surprised that some here don't consider the events in LA a riot. Yes under the constitution you are allowed to "peacefully assemble". Burning cars, looting, and dropping concrete blocks onto passing cars from a bridge doesn't qualify as a peaceful demonstration.

Three decades OTJ I've worked in a couple of "minor" riots. If your the guy surrounded by a hundred "protesters" trying to liberate your lawfully arrested prisoner its an entirely different point of view. Have you ever been the target of hundreds of rocks and bottles thrown at you at 1 AM by a unruly crowd? With the nearest patrol car two blocks away due to the size of the "crowd"? Then had to fight your way back to the car carrying said prisoner?

If you haven't been there, done that, you don't know jack ****. Pretty freakin' simple.

In New Jersey where I worked it is defined as, "four or more participating in a course of disorderly conduct..." look up, N.J.S.A. 2C:33-1.

I'd say hundreds or thousands more than qualify.

The big problem is media coverage, as usual from either side of aisle. The PROTESTS have been happening during day time and have been peaceful. There have been extremely few cases of anything with thousands of people there. The vandalism/violence has been at night and is other bad actors, not the protestors. The looting also at night - and matches the snatch and grabs robberies that have been happening for the last few years (look at how they were specifically targeted at same types of stores and others completely bypassed), and are not part of protests, just opportunists.

So if you were at a concert and had a someone get drunk and disorderly, do you say the whole crowd was? or just the one or two bad actors?

 

[DocSkinner]

Where/who is the King?

Anyone who considers themselves above the law, above the Constitution, and above the tricameral government system of three EQUAL branches with checks and balances our Founding Fathers created specifically to make sure no kings. So when someone claims the courts have no power over them...

As to magazines - LA is no different right now than any time, or any large city. Daytime no need (caveat - I carry with 16 round magazine in place). Night time? Depends of where you are going.

The point of CCW is to get you OUT of trouble, not to engage in a prolonged firefight.

 

[DocSkinner]

Regardless, if you're waving a Mexican flag in, let's just say, "protest" you should then move to the country you love more than America.

You have no ethnic pride from your ancestors? Maybe if they were also arresting and targeting European, African, or Asian illegal aliens (there are MANY) you would see more flags from those countries?

And you must be a real fun guy on St Pat's day (GO BACK TO IRELAND IF YOU LOVE IT SO MUCH!)

And if they were actually targeting CRIMINASL ( we know what neighborhoods they pervade) instead of those going to immigration courts to try and do it legally, then there would be a lot fewer protests. But easier snagging those that are peaceful and following the law than actually working and hitting (known) gang hangouts. They are certainly armed well enough to do so. They could wear proper court apparel ONE PERSON, and approach the majority of court appearing people and walk out calmly with them. But that doesn't make a strong man spectacle.

 

[DocSkinner]

I would say equally important - how many of you carry a minimal blow out kit or have one readily available?