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BTW, magazines are plentiful and relatively inexpensive - about $18 for 10 and $24 for 12 round.
Kel-Tec Model P-11
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Tex1001
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I have 2 P-11s, 3 PF9s, 2 P3-ATS, and 1 P32. Various finishes. I am heavily invested.
I also have 2 Ruger LC9;s.
One of the P3-ATs is my daily carry BUG.
The full DAO trigger of the P-11 can really chafe a finger during long shooting sessions. Ket-Tec has a trigger shoe that really helps.
PS:
Twisted Industries still markets an after market 22lr conversion for the P-11 and PF9. No experience with them.
I also have 2 Ruger LC9;s.
One of the P3-ATs is my daily carry BUG.
The full DAO trigger of the P-11 can really chafe a finger during long shooting sessions. Ket-Tec has a trigger shoe that really helps.
PS:
Twisted Industries still markets an after market 22lr conversion for the P-11 and PF9. No experience with them.
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I had one for my first real carry gun, and liked it. I'm sure it malfunctioned a time or two, but I don't remember any specifics.
The only complaint I had about it is that it's light and has a pretty snappy recoil. It wasn't bad unless I fired more than 50 rounds at a session. I did 100 once, and my elbow tingled for three days.
The only complaint I had about it is that it's light and has a pretty snappy recoil. It wasn't bad unless I fired more than 50 rounds at a session. I did 100 once, and my elbow tingled for three days.
Tex1001
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I carried an AMT Back Up .380 for years as my BUG. I literally cringe at the prospect of shooting it. Twice as heavy as a P3-AT but my hand hurt after the first shot and I'm not recoil sensitive.
Around 2007 I did some cosmetic work on a friend's PF-9 and noticed the lightness. I test fired it and was amazed at the light recoil! I was hooked.
For years I carried a 1911 commander, then an Officer's ACP and my back was paying the price. When S&W came out with its M&P 45 compact I took a chance. Amazed again! Half the weight and I still swear that it recoils less than the Officer's ACP.
I love the oldies, but I've been a composite frame guy for carrying ever since.
The Kel-Tec P-11 is the 9mm natural athlete-brother to my steroid-monkey P-40. I also own two P-32 .32ACP pistols.
Both are reliable or KT service & support will flipping jump through fire hoops to MAKE them reliable.
Both are extremely light at around 17oz unloaded, so recoil can be snappy in the P-11 (and downright nasty in the P-40. Think S&W 640 J-frame fired with full-power .357mag.) Both are also pretty skinny--for a double-stack semi-auto. Not as skinny a a well-designed single stack semi.
As has been stated, the P-11 and P-40 mag wells accept both appropriate KT mags and the S&W Gen3 double-stack auto mags in the appropriate cartridge.
The DAO trigger pull is L-O-N-G and pretty heavy, but can be smoothed out a bunch with use. It can be squeezed right on through in a hurry or staged 7/8 of hte way, sights re-aligned, and then squeezed the rest of the way for more precision.
Mine used to be my primary carry. I got PT tritium night sights (long since faded, but great general irons) and toted it in pocket, ankle, holster, or by the belt clippy-do. I also had the slide nickel plated for a song. After that I replaced all springs but the mainspring, as I figured THAT sucker could use a little slack.
(These days I am more likely to tote a 1911, J-frame, or K-frame snubby.)
Every once in a while I think about selling it, as KT fans are silly about the P-40. But then I figure I have a reliable little pistol and all the carry doo-dads it needs, so why give that up?
Both are reliable or KT service & support will flipping jump through fire hoops to MAKE them reliable.
Both are extremely light at around 17oz unloaded, so recoil can be snappy in the P-11 (and downright nasty in the P-40. Think S&W 640 J-frame fired with full-power .357mag.) Both are also pretty skinny--for a double-stack semi-auto. Not as skinny a a well-designed single stack semi.
As has been stated, the P-11 and P-40 mag wells accept both appropriate KT mags and the S&W Gen3 double-stack auto mags in the appropriate cartridge.
The DAO trigger pull is L-O-N-G and pretty heavy, but can be smoothed out a bunch with use. It can be squeezed right on through in a hurry or staged 7/8 of hte way, sights re-aligned, and then squeezed the rest of the way for more precision.
Mine used to be my primary carry. I got PT tritium night sights (long since faded, but great general irons) and toted it in pocket, ankle, holster, or by the belt clippy-do. I also had the slide nickel plated for a song. After that I replaced all springs but the mainspring, as I figured THAT sucker could use a little slack.
(These days I am more likely to tote a 1911, J-frame, or K-frame snubby.)
Every once in a while I think about selling it, as KT fans are silly about the P-40. But then I figure I have a reliable little pistol and all the carry doo-dads it needs, so why give that up?
I had a Kel Tec .32, .380, and Pf-9 and they were all excellent pistols for the price. Reliable, accurate, and light they were great guns but the PF-9 did kick pretty bad and I would have to set it down and shoot something else after half a box of ammo and let my hand recover.
There's an aftermarket aluminum trigger that's nicely done,
and fairly pricey (and after you buy one, the guy emails you
and offers you $5 back to put up a favorable review--but
that's another story). I got one, and it's an improvement
over stock, but I'd say not any better than sleeving the
OEM with several layers of black heat shrink tubing---
having tried that first.
Tex1001
Member
Kel-Tec's site shows NO reference to P11 (Strange and mildly troubling) but run a site search for P11 and you get a list of parts and accessories.
A trigger shoe is listed in stock for 10 bucks. Cheeeep.
I have what is called LIMITED EXPERENCE with the P11 Some time ago I purchased a P11 NIB. I took it out to the range to try it out, I got 8 rounds through it before, IT APPEARED, that is fired out of battery, blowing up the ENTIRE GUN, putting a few marks on me. Range officer said that that was the 1st time he had ever seen a gun fire in that way and used a hammer and screwdriver to get the round out of the gun. Needless to say, I sold the new replacement gun from Kel-tec AS SOON AS I RECEIVED IT.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trigger shoes in general. Using
the belt clip is definitely not a place for a trigger shoe.
The aluminum trigger was not a Kel-Tec item.
I looked thru the Kel-Tec site a while ago, and noticed the
P-11 was absent. Maybe they've lost enough sales to Skyy,
to make it less profitable to devote CNC time to the P-11
(when they have so many other products that are pretty
much "sold" as soon as their boxed)?
Tex1001
Member
I'm not a fan of run of the mill trigger shoes, either. They are all too wide for safe holstering/carry.
The Kel-Tecs that I have are well engineered. Just enough width to stop trigger finger abrasion. There's also the long pure double action trigger pull on the P11. My son carries his with confidence. If I carried one of mine I would be confident also.
That said, in my classes I emphasize that no one should use/carry any means of self defense that they are uncomfortable with.
The Kel-Tecs that I have are well engineered. Just enough width to stop trigger finger abrasion. There's also the long pure double action trigger pull on the P11. My son carries his with confidence. If I carried one of mine I would be confident also.
That said, in my classes I emphasize that no one should use/carry any means of self defense that they are uncomfortable with.
35Rem
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I actually have 2 mags
elm_creek_smith
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My daughter's came with 2 mags, and I got her a 15 round S&W magazine with a grip adapter.
Since then, I swapped for an older S&W Model 469 and have two 12 round, three 15 round, and one 20 round magazines that also fit her P11. They just don't have adapter to make them fit her gun without a gap.
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