LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell

[silvercorvette]

Originally posted by straightshooter1:
silvercorvette,

I always enjoy your posts, and you seem to have a lot of common sense.

But, this time, I am scratching my head. Didn't we learn, as LEOs, that we always follow the evidence, regardless of where it leads?

To comment on this situation without viewing the video is kind of like ignoring some possibly important piece of evidence.

Just check it out. It is a prosecutor's dream. It shows him apparently striking her after he has her under control and on the floor. I use apparently just because I can't see the actual contact. But, her reaction seems to me to be one of being struck.


His problem is, that even if he could justify the initial entry and takedown, the latter part of the video will take someone who can walk on water to justify.

I expect, based on my experience, his lawyer is trying real hard to get the prosecutor to work the case out without a trial and, while I don't know about that state, in mine, he'd be de-certified as a LEO.

Will be interesting to see if he ends up pleading guilty or nolo to avoid that jury trial.

Bob

I just did watch it, if his lawyer gets him off he will be better than, Bruce Cutler, Gerry Spence, and Johnnie Cochran combined. I hate to make comments about anyone's guilt or innocence but his lawyer ha his work cut out for him. To be honest I couldn't believe it could be as bad as it was, I just figured it was the typical anti cop stuff I usually see. I still believe everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence but if the jury sees that tape it is all over for the cop. I watched it a few time trying to figure out some reasonable reason why he did it and I can't.

 

[badge107]

ParadiseRoad, Talking about taking something out of context! Nice twist job but no dice from me. That statement was meant for Officers that you might come into contact with, not the Officer that is portrayed in the video. Any decent L.E. Officer that views that tape will not condone that sort of behavior. You are preaching to the choir. That Officer portrayed in that video has and will face the music.

 

[jdh]

Ignoring every thing that went on up to the point where he picks here up from the floor, just that fact that he lifted her by the handcuffs and hair would get him fired and charges filed where I work. And the other officer would be subject to action for failure to report the misconduct.

Cameras are everywhere and we all know it.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by jdh:
Ignoring every thing that went on up to the point where he picks here up from the floor, just that fact that he lifted her by the handcuffs and hair would get him fired and charges filed where I work. And the other officer would be subject to action for failure to report the misconduct.

Cameras are everywhere and we all know it.

It's strange that some cops either DON'T seem to know it, or seem to think they're invisible. Other than colossal arrogance, I can't explain it.

Almost EVERY recent high profile criminal act by a cop has involved video, yet these things keep happening. You have to wonder what thought processes take place in the mind of a cop whose regular place of duty has numerous video surveillance cameras, yet he still shoots an unarmed man and spins a fairy tale totally contradicted by the video evidence. Of course at that point, he's just a criminal and criminals routinely concoct the most insanely stupid alibis imaginable.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

Originally posted by badge107:
ParadiseRoad, Talking about taking something out of context! Nice twist job but no dice from me. That statement was meant for Officers that you might come into contact with, not the Officer that is portrayed in the video. Any decent L.E. Officer that views that tape will not condone that sort of behavior. You are preaching to the choir. That Officer portrayed in that video has and will face the music.

Sorry...I did miss something there...and I apologize...I deleted my post...sorry again...it's been a long day...

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by feralmerril:
Dont worry about it. He wont skate.

Bet?

 

[crofoot629]

Bet?

Yea I'll bet. How much?

This guy is toast.

Emory

 

[straightshooter1]

conn ak:

Out of curiosity, how will this guy skate? He's criminally charged, the video is pretty clear, the law in every state I am aware is-only reasonable force can be used, and this guy certainly went beyond that.

Bob

 

[conn ak]

He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either. The video is the only reason that he is in trouble. But remember, the first trial in the Rodney King bat festival (on video) found the officers innocent of excessive force. It wasn't until the city burned and innocent people were robbed and murdered that the police officers had to face the music.

 

[billhud]

I tend to agree that the only reason this LEO is in trouble is because of the video. That's disturbing. No telling what he is capable of or what he has ever done outside of video surveillance.

 

[Al.40cal]

In my opinion the officer was wrong in his actions. First of all the girl was 15 probably weighed 130lbs and 5'5. Compare that to a guy 6'2 well over 200lbs and you've got a serious mismatch. She's already in custody so she could've had any weapons, oh forgot about the tennis shoe that could've been used as a deadly weapon that's why the cop sprung into action with a kick that backed the girl up 3 to 4 feet and drove her into the wall. Threw her down by her hair and gave her a few closed fist overhands to the back of the head, neck or back. Yea whatever she did, she deserved it?

Here's a question, what was the other officer's take on the situation? He did nothing to keep the situation from going bad to what the *&^% were you thinking?

 

[straightshooter1]

As to serious time in prison, I agree. Most judges consider the entire person in fashioning a sentence.

Obviously, this guy hasn't any prior record, so I expect he will get probation absent his going to trial, taking the stand and trying to fool the jury with some story.

But, he won't be an officer, and, if the state doesn't have a provision for a withholding of adjudication, he will be a convicted felon.

I doubt, if he is convicted by the state authorities, he will be federally prosecuted. In my line they call that dual prosecution and, unless the Obama administration changes the rules, the AUSA who wants to prosecute him after a state conviction must get permission from the Justice Department. Rarely does that happen since it is a duplication of effort and considered sort of a waste of resources.

But, I have seen it done.

Bob

 

[wheelgun1958]

Originally posted by ParadiseRoad:

I doubt that girl's father has much influence on her if she is out stealing cars.

...it was HIS car...she borrowed her father's car without his permission...and got BEAT LIKE A RENTED MULE for her trouble!...


..HIS problem is he joined the wrong department...

We don't need schmucks like that in the Marine Corps either.

 

[crofoot629]

He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either.

You are clearly ignorant. You wouldn't go to prison and get your "ass stretched" for a simple assault, or probably loose your job like this guy. You'd be much more likely to walk then this poor sap.

BTW, there are probably much worse crimes occurring in your own neighborhood today.

This Deputy certainly appears to have used excessive force and broke the law, and he's being held accountable. It's hardly the crime of the century.


Emory

 

[Moon]

Ever wonder what would happen to you or I if we so much as TOUCHED a 15yr old girl?
Much less beat the daylights out of her.

I bet he walks.
Right on down the road into a different police dept!

 

[crofoot629]

Its because the deck is stacked and the bad cops, like the one pictured, know it. In this instance, you have a bad actor who has apparently gotten away with two priors.

Gotten away with two priors? How do you figure?


Emory

 

[geoff40]

Well, he'll get his day in court no doubt. It'll be interesting to hear his side- what sort of threatening circumstances were at hand that made it okay to punch a handcuffed kid in the head/face 3 times in other words.

 

[walkinghorse]

Right on down the road into a different police dept!

And that is another scary part of this story!

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by crofoot629:

He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either.

You are clearly ignorant. You wouldn't go to prison and get your "ass stretched" for a simple assault, or probably loose your job like this guy. You'd be much more likely to walk then this poor sap.

BTW, there are probably much worse crimes occurring in your own neighborhood today.

This Deputy certainly appears to have used excessive force and broke the law, and he's being held accountable. It's hardly the crime of the century.


Emory

You are clearly ignorant if you think that he doesn't deserve to go to jail for assaulting a 15 year old girl. Aren't the police there to enforce the law? I would think that I would serve some jail time for assaulting a defenseless girl. I'd hope so.

 

[sigp220.45]

I would think that I would serve some jail time for assaulting a defenseless girl. I'd hope so.

As a regular citizen, a first offense simple assault without serious injury would be a misdemeanor and in most places would not merit jail time. Certainly not prison time. With the attention this case is getting, I wouldn't be surprised if civil rights charges come down the pike, and the state dismisses their misdemeanor charges. No telling, though.