LEO Beats up 15 yo girl in cell

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For whats it worth, the incident wouldnt have come about had the father done his job years ago
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I agree with you!

If that cop's father had taught him to respect others and to show restraint before he got the job, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Why, as far as we know, the cop is taking out his childhood frustrations on the weaker and more vulnerable because of his childhood.
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bob
 
Originally posted by feralmerril:
For whats it worth, the incident wouldnt have come about had the father done his job years ago.
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The cop's lack of discipline and restraint ain't the girl's father's fault. The cop is totally and solely responsible for his own lack of self-control and self-discipline.

It's only the cop's fault that he'll beat a 15 year old girl while subdued and on the ground. The man obviously has issues and may well be in the wrong line of work.

Just close the door and walk away.
 
I doubt that girl's father has much influence on her if she is out stealing cars.
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...it was HIS car...she borrowed her father's car without his permission...and got BEAT LIKE A RENTED MULE for her trouble!...


..HIS problem is he joined the wrong department...

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Nice girls don't steal cars, but still....
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I doubt that girl's father has much influence on her if she is out stealing cars.

...it was HIS car...she borrowed her father's car without his permission...and got BEAT LIKE A RENTED MULE for her trouble!...
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If my daughter took off in my car, unbenownst to me, and I called it in as stolen, I believe I would be pretty well over the edge to find out my daughter was treated this way. Hell, I would be over the edge to find out my neighbors daughter was treated this way.

I'm not an LEO and realize that they put up with an awful lot of BS (And if my daughter called a cop a fat pig she would deal with me for her mouth as well as her stupidity) But....... I don't see anything on the video that indicates the TWO COPS who had her down on the deck were in any danger and that the blows were anything other than blue rage and retribution.

That's not my daughter in that holding cell. But, it could have been. It could have been yours. Is that how you want you and yours to be treated ????????

Dan R
 
Originally posted by spearcrow:
It's impossible to know what transpired before hand.
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Makes absolutely no difference what happened before... she was already in the cell, all he had to do was finish closing the door. Instead, he decided to go in and assault her. Kudos to the prosecutor for filing charges. No excuse. His career should be over. When the lawsuit is over, that 15 year old will be living in his house, and driving his car...
 
Originally posted by silvercorvette:
Originally posted by Douglas Haig:
This guy needs to be in the state pen.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/...401779_schene28.html
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I think we should just hang him and forget about a trial and learning what his side of the story is. Learning the facts behind the story takes too much time an is boring

We`al know the newspapers never get the facts wrong when they report about guns
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You're not serious I hope? A 15 year old young girl flips her shoe off at an officer and gets that treatment. Sure am glad she didn't hit him with her fist...he might have killed her. What more do you need to see. This asshat should never wear a badge again.
 
Gentlemen, I have been in L.E. for 28 years. I have seen things that will bring grown men to tears. Have spent countless days where I could not go to sleep due to what I had seen and been involved in. I worked mostly deep nights 11pm/7am shift. Most L.E. Officers will see more crap in one year than most of you will see in a lifetime. I worked myself up from Patrolman to Captain. It was not an easy job by no means. I have an outstanding wife and family. Raised two productive and great kids that are now contributing to society. Son is 26 years of age and daughter 23 years of age. I cannot count the number of times I missed their birthdays, sporting events, Christmas, Thanksgiving, and many other family events that I wanted to attend. Like I said I have a great wife and we have been married 32 years. Almost unheard of in the L.E. community.
When I told my family (inlaws included) that I wanted to go into L.E. I was begged not to. I told them that it was something that I felt a calling to do and that I had to do it. I was asked by my father, "What happens if you are killed". My response was, "Then you must know that I feel that it was worth it". With this statement my father who is now deceased said, "Then do it". Twenty Eight years later I don't know if it was the right decision or not. Society has changed and not for the better. Our Country has changed and the attitudes of people have changed to the degree that I am thinking that it was not worth it. I have been lucky. The worst injury has been srapes, black eyes, and torn muscles. Been involved in two shootings and they were not fun. Have had several co-workers shot and one died of his injuries. Have been to many Officer funerals and when amazing grace is played on the bag pipes I realize why I went into L.E.
Now to the video. I do not know what occurred prior to the Officer assaulting the girl but from what I viewed three times it was out of line and the Officer will never wear a badge again. He lost his cool and he will pay for it. He will be fired, prosecuted and possibly face federal civil rights violations which can and most likely land him in federal prison. I am viewed by my peers as "old school" but from what I have seen Officers do not cover up for their co-workers. I believe L.E. in general police their own at least my department does. It is unacceptable to act in the manner which is displayed on that video. That video is most likely on you tube now because the King County Sheriffs Office released it and are policing their own with charges. There is no reason for members of this forum to resort to name calling. The video is what it is and I am not too happy about it either but it occurred and the guilty will be punished probably at a higher degree than someone who is not an officer. This post is not meant to bring "poor officer". It is meant to show some insight into
what it is like to work in L.E. Police Officers are not the only profession to sacrafice their home life. I can think of many occupations such as truck drivers, doctors, salesmen, airline pilots, etc. but then they do not see the dark side either. All I ask is that when you come into contact with an Officer give the benefit of the doubt. He is most likely a good person with a good heart and is trained to do the right thing.
 
I didn't click on the link before because I try to avoid viewing trial by press reports, I read the written report but didn't view the video. One thing that caught my eye was that he was turned in by a cop. Now for a cop to look at a video and report it, that says to me it is a good sign that there are cops that won't over look something done by a fellow office that may be out of line. I am not saying the guy is guilty but I wouldn't trade places with him for a million dollars. let the facts come out in court and the chips fall where they may.
 
silvercorvette,

I always enjoy your posts, and you seem to have a lot of common sense.

But, this time, I am scratching my head. Didn't we learn, as LEOs, that we always follow the evidence, regardless of where it leads?

To comment on this situation without viewing the video is kind of like ignoring some possibly important piece of evidence.

Just check it out. It is a prosecutor's dream. It shows him apparently striking her after he has her under control and on the floor. I use apparently just because I can't see the actual contact. But, her reaction seems to me to be one of being struck.


His problem is, that even if he could justify the initial entry and takedown, the latter part of the video will take someone who can walk on water to justify.

I expect, based on my experience, his lawyer is trying real hard to get the prosecutor to work the case out without a trial and, while I don't know about that state, in mine, he'd be de-certified as a LEO.

Will be interesting to see if he ends up pleading guilty or nolo to avoid that jury trial.

Bob
 
Originally posted by straightshooter1:
silvercorvette,

I always enjoy your posts, and you seem to have a lot of common sense.

But, this time, I am scratching my head. Didn't we learn, as LEOs, that we always follow the evidence, regardless of where it leads?

To comment on this situation without viewing the video is kind of like ignoring some possibly important piece of evidence.

Just check it out. It is a prosecutor's dream. It shows him apparently striking her after he has her under control and on the floor. I use apparently just because I can't see the actual contact. But, her reaction seems to me to be one of being struck.


His problem is, that even if he could justify the initial entry and takedown, the latter part of the video will take someone who can walk on water to justify.

I expect, based on my experience, his lawyer is trying real hard to get the prosecutor to work the case out without a trial and, while I don't know about that state, in mine, he'd be de-certified as a LEO.

Will be interesting to see if he ends up pleading guilty or nolo to avoid that jury trial.

Bob
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I just did watch it, if his lawyer gets him off he will be better than, Bruce Cutler, Gerry Spence, and Johnnie Cochran combined. I hate to make comments about anyone's guilt or innocence but his lawyer ha his work cut out for him. To be honest I couldn't believe it could be as bad as it was, I just figured it was the typical anti cop stuff I usually see. I still believe everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence but if the jury sees that tape it is all over for the cop. I watched it a few time trying to figure out some reasonable reason why he did it and I can't.
 
ParadiseRoad, Talking about taking something out of context! Nice twist job but no dice from me. That statement was meant for Officers that you might come into contact with, not the Officer that is portrayed in the video. Any decent L.E. Officer that views that tape will not condone that sort of behavior. You are preaching to the choir. That Officer portrayed in that video has and will face the music.
 
Ignoring every thing that went on up to the point where he picks here up from the floor, just that fact that he lifted her by the handcuffs and hair would get him fired and charges filed where I work. And the other officer would be subject to action for failure to report the misconduct.

Cameras are everywhere and we all know it.
 
Originally posted by jdh:
Ignoring every thing that went on up to the point where he picks here up from the floor, just that fact that he lifted her by the handcuffs and hair would get him fired and charges filed where I work. And the other officer would be subject to action for failure to report the misconduct.

Cameras are everywhere and we all know it.
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It's strange that some cops either DON'T seem to know it, or seem to think they're invisible. Other than colossal arrogance, I can't explain it.

Almost EVERY recent high profile criminal act by a cop has involved video, yet these things keep happening. You have to wonder what thought processes take place in the mind of a cop whose regular place of duty has numerous video surveillance cameras, yet he still shoots an unarmed man and spins a fairy tale totally contradicted by the video evidence. Of course at that point, he's just a criminal and criminals routinely concoct the most insanely stupid alibis imaginable.
 
Originally posted by badge107:
ParadiseRoad, Talking about taking something out of context! Nice twist job but no dice from me. That statement was meant for Officers that you might come into contact with, not the Officer that is portrayed in the video. Any decent L.E. Officer that views that tape will not condone that sort of behavior. You are preaching to the choir. That Officer portrayed in that video has and will face the music.
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Sorry...I did miss something there...and I apologize...I deleted my post...sorry again...it's been a long day...
 
conn ak:

Out of curiosity, how will this guy skate? He's criminally charged, the video is pretty clear, the law in every state I am aware is-only reasonable force can be used, and this guy certainly went beyond that.

Bob
 
He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either. The video is the only reason that he is in trouble. But remember, the first trial in the Rodney King bat festival (on video) found the officers innocent of excessive force. It wasn't until the city burned and innocent people were robbed and murdered that the police officers had to face the music.
 
I tend to agree that the only reason this LEO is in trouble is because of the video. That's disturbing. No telling what he is capable of or what he has ever done outside of video surveillance.
 
In my opinion the officer was wrong in his actions. First of all the girl was 15 probably weighed 130lbs and 5'5. Compare that to a guy 6'2 well over 200lbs and you've got a serious mismatch. She's already in custody so she could've had any weapons, oh forgot about the tennis shoe that could've been used as a deadly weapon that's why the cop sprung into action with a kick that backed the girl up 3 to 4 feet and drove her into the wall. Threw her down by her hair and gave her a few closed fist overhands to the back of the head, neck or back. Yea whatever she did, she deserved it?

Here's a question, what was the other officer's take on the situation? He did nothing to keep the situation from going bad to what the *&^% were you thinking?
 
As to serious time in prison, I agree. Most judges consider the entire person in fashioning a sentence.

Obviously, this guy hasn't any prior record, so I expect he will get probation absent his going to trial, taking the stand and trying to fool the jury with some story.

But, he won't be an officer, and, if the state doesn't have a provision for a withholding of adjudication, he will be a convicted felon.

I doubt, if he is convicted by the state authorities, he will be federally prosecuted. In my line they call that dual prosecution and, unless the Obama administration changes the rules, the AUSA who wants to prosecute him after a state conviction must get permission from the Justice Department. Rarely does that happen since it is a duplication of effort and considered sort of a waste of resources.

But, I have seen it done.

Bob
 
Originally posted by ParadiseRoad:
I doubt that girl's father has much influence on her if she is out stealing cars.
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...it was HIS car...she borrowed her father's car without his permission...and got BEAT LIKE A RENTED MULE for her trouble!...


..HIS problem is he joined the wrong department...

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We don't need schmucks like that in the Marine Corps either.
 
He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either.
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You are clearly ignorant. You wouldn't go to prison and get your "ass stretched" for a simple assault, or probably loose your job like this guy. You'd be much more likely to walk then this poor sap.

BTW, there are probably much worse crimes occurring in your own neighborhood today.

This Deputy certainly appears to have used excessive force and broke the law, and he's being held accountable. It's hardly the crime of the century.


Emory
 
Ever wonder what would happen to you or I if we so much as TOUCHED a 15yr old girl?
Much less beat the daylights out of her.

I bet he walks.
Right on down the road into a different police dept!
 
Its because the deck is stacked and the bad cops, like the one pictured, know it. In this instance, you have a bad actor who has apparently gotten away with two priors.
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Gotten away with two priors? How do you figure?


Emory
 
Well, he'll get his day in court no doubt. It'll be interesting to hear his side- what sort of threatening circumstances were at hand that made it okay to punch a handcuffed kid in the head/face 3 times in other words.
 
Originally posted by crofoot629:
He won't "skate", but he won't do any well-deserved, ass-stretching time in jail like you or I might, either.
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You are clearly ignorant. You wouldn't go to prison and get your "ass stretched" for a simple assault, or probably loose your job like this guy. You'd be much more likely to walk then this poor sap.

BTW, there are probably much worse crimes occurring in your own neighborhood today.

This Deputy certainly appears to have used excessive force and broke the law, and he's being held accountable. It's hardly the crime of the century.


Emory
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You are clearly ignorant if you think that he doesn't deserve to go to jail for assaulting a 15 year old girl. Aren't the police there to enforce the law? I would think that I would serve some jail time for assaulting a defenseless girl. I'd hope so.
 
I would think that I would serve some jail time for assaulting a defenseless girl. I'd hope so.
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As a regular citizen, a first offense simple assault without serious injury would be a misdemeanor and in most places would not merit jail time. Certainly not prison time. With the attention this case is getting, I wouldn't be surprised if civil rights charges come down the pike, and the state dismisses their misdemeanor charges. No telling, though.
 
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